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    Australia, Hit this poll please.

    Welcome to the new year down under. Interest in sporting shooting is on the rise, an increase in ferel animalsalso has prompted people to purchase, register, and liscence firearms and as usual, the anties start accusing law abiding sporting shooters of comitting crime. Not only that, every criminal searching for access to firearms has been given a heads up. Its nice to know how our licencing and registration fees are being spent. Haz.
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    GUNS outnumber people in 24 Victorian towns a special investigation has revealed and the figures have horrified the anti-gun lobby.

    The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek has the highest ratio: 774 registered firearms shared by just 278 residents.

    National Coalition for Gun Control chairwoman Sam Lee said more guns led to more crime.

    Annual figures show an increase of 62 per cent in robberies involving firearms in Victoria.

    Detective Supt Brett Guerin, head of Victoria Police's serious crime division, said those involved in recent lawless behaviour in Melbourne's northwest suburbs had been "shooting up the streets as if it's the wild west". He reinforced the police strategy of "unremitting harassment" to deter the use of firearms.

    The 3551 postcode, taking in towns on the outskirts of Bendigo, had the highest number of registered guns - 7179. French Island in Western Port Bay and Harrow, in the Wimmera, rounded out the top three gun hot spots.

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    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226239396332

    Should there be tougher limits on the number of firearms a person can own?
    Yes 43.86% (521 votes)
    No 56.14% (667 votes)
    Total votes: 1188
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    Victoria has 642,176, or nearly 23 per cent, of the 2.8 million firearms registered in Australia.

    Police are worried after more than 39,000 extra firearms were registered in Victoria in 18 months to June last year, despite an increase of only 5000 in the number of licensed shooters.

    They said their biggest concern was the number of pistols in the community and people's willingness to use them to commit crimes.

    Senior police said they would blitz gun dealers and licensed shooters to try to stop legal firearms getting on the black market.

    It comes as figures show registered guns now outnumber people in 24 Victorian towns.

    The highest proportion is in the East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek where 278 residents own 774 firearms.

    Other hot spots are French Island in Western Port Bay and Harrow, in the Wimmera.

    Police figures also show:

    UP to 200 (75 per cent) of all pistols seized from criminals in the past three years had never been registered or could not be identified.

    FORTY-ONE of the 273 firearms seized were stolen.

    MORE than half the firearms used in "high end" armed robberies last year were pistols.

    FIFTEEN per cent of firearms seized from criminals were stolen weapons.

    The annual figures showed an increase of 62 per cent in robberies involving guns and a 15 per cent increase in assaults with a firearm.

    Detective Supt Brett Guerin, head of the force's serious crime division, reinforced the police strategy of "unremitting harassment" to deter the use of guns, particularly pistols.

    Supt Guerin described those involved in recent lawless behaviour in Melbourne's northwest suburbs as "peasants ... acting in a way they would in the foothills of their home country, shooting up the streets as if it's the wild west".

    "Instead of farming they rob people, or stand over them or sell dope - and they use firearms to enforce it," he said.

    "We can't just wait for these matters to be fully investigated and brought before the courts one or two years down the track. We've got to start making life difficult for these peanuts."

    The head of the force's licensing and registration division, Supt Russell Barrett, said shootings in Melbourne had emphasised the issue of illicit gun use.

    "I don't think the issues we're seeing are with the licensed shooters. The problem is not with the lawful weapons in the hands of lawful shooters," he said.

    "Our focus for the next 12-18 months will be to ensure that not only the right people get licences and access to guns, but to ensure that legal guns don't become illegal."

    Supt Barrett said police would be strong on regulating the practices of dealers and ensuring owners were storing firearms safely.

    He said he hoped a big drop in the number of firearms stolen - 142 in 2010-11 compared with 316 the previous year - was a reflection of more secure storage.

    Only 18 of the 302 guns reported stolen in Victoria in 2008-09 were recovered, the most recent Australia Institute of Criminology firearm theft statistics show.

    Pistols registered rose from just over 11,200 in June 2010 to 11,600 a year later.

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    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    It is interesting that they do not reveal in this article what the crime rate is in the The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek (which has the highest ratio of gun ownership).

    I'd be willing to bet there is a reason why that statistic is not revealed--The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek probably has almost NO gun-related violent crime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    It is interesting that they do not reveal in this article what the crime rate is in the The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek (which has the highest ratio of gun ownership).

    I'd be willing to bet there is a reason why that statistic is not revealed--The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek probably has almost NO gun-related violent crime...
    Hi Dreamer.

    The stats were not released because there are no rapes, murders,drunken violence, home invasions, car nappings or robberies in Swift Creek.

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    Should there be tougher limits on the number of firearms a person can own?
    Yes 31.25% (1004 votes)
    No 68.75% (2209 votes)
    Total votes: 3213

    Were wondering when this poll will be withdrawn. Its not looking good for the anties. They paper may be waiting for the lazy greens and anti's to get their backsides out of bed, usually and hopefully by 2pm this afternoon and vote?
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    These figures have horrified the anti-gun lobby.

    The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek has the highest ratio: 774 registered firearms shared by just 278 residents.

    Thats frightening? 774 firearms shared by 278 residents in a rural farming community? Thats 774 divided by 278 = 2.78 firearms!

    No wonder the anti gun lobby are horrified! Talk about a bunch of loosers.

    The law states that if one is a firearms collector in Australia one must have at least 10 Firearms to be granted a collectors licence.
    Last edited by Haz.; 01-08-2012 at 06:11 PM.
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    These figures have horrified the anti-gun lobby.

    The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek has the highest ratio: 774 registered firearms shared by just 278 residents.

    Thats frightening? 774 firearms shared by 278 residents in a rural farming community? Thats 774 divided by 278 = 2.78 firearms!

    No wonder the anti gun lobby are horrified! Talk about a bunch of loosers.

    The law states that if one is a firearms collector in Australia one must have at least 10 Firearms to be granted a collectors licence.
    So I'm only two guns from being able to get a collectors license, and one gun once my dad gives me my childhood rifles.

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    Thank you to all who voted. here is this mornings result of the poll.

    Results: Gun laws.

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    Should there be tougher limits on the number of firearms a person can own?
    Yes 30.86% (2658 votes)
    No 69.14% (5956 votes)
    Total votes: 8614
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Yes
    29.74% (2670 votes)
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    70.26% (6308 votes)

    Total votes: 8978

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    Done!

    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    These figures have horrified the anti-gun lobby.

    The East Gippsland hamlet of Swifts Creek has the highest ratio: 774 registered firearms shared by just 278 residents.

    Thats frightening? 774 firearms shared by 278 residents in a rural farming community? Thats 774 divided by 278 = 2.78 firearms!

    No wonder the anti gun lobby are horrified! Talk about a bunch of loosers.

    The law states that if one is a firearms collector in Australia one must have at least 10 Firearms to be granted a collectors licence.
    Only owns 3 firearms? I don't know what I'd do with so few.
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    I seems the anti-gun lobby have lost their way on this beatup.

    Re: Revealed: The small Victorian towns with more guns than people.

    As of, 2 Jan. 2012, 7.11am. Eastern Australian daylight saving time,

    Should there be tougher limits on the number of firearms a person can own?
    Yes 29.16% (2671 votes)
    No 70.84% (6489 votes)
    Total votes: 9160

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    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    I was glad to do my part .

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    Thank you and all others who took the time to vote. Every vote counts. It also was pleasing to me that so many Australian citizens voted against this ridiculous idea that law abiding citizens be restricted to a particular number of firearms. The coaletiton for gun control have no idea. Does one shoot a ferel pig or a deer with a 22? 22's are ok for rabbits and foxes at very close quarters. Wild dogs, ferel pigs, ferel camels, buffalo, destroying water holes through out the top end, ferel deer in the high country, they all deserve to be taken down humanley. .22 rimfire does not cut it?
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Over 10,000 votes now, and those who believe people's ownership should be restricting have fallen to a one-quarter minority.

    Nearly 3/4 of respondents believe the Australian government is sticking their noses where they don't belong.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Over 10,000 votes now, and those who believe people's ownership should be restricting have fallen to a one-quarter minority.

    Nearly 3/4 of respondents believe the Australian government is sticking their noses where they don't belong.
    G-day 'since9;

    And sadly our state and fereral politicians have their noses so deep in the trough, when their noses come up for Gods free, not yet taxed by them, air! they ram them so up their nether regions they cannot see the truth to save their own careers.

    Hopefully, some time in the not too distant future the average Australian will vote sensibly and logicly and in so doing protect what rights they still have?

    Thanks for your support and encouragement in all things on this board. I appreciate it. Sometimes when I get down about the average Australians simplistic, dont care attitude on things regarding our freedoms, I try and remember people you guys on this board, and the fact that is good men do nothing, criminals will suceed! Thanks again all who voted. Haz.
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Anties Never Give Up. Trigger happy shooters' gun buying spree. NSW is gun mad -

    Well they failed miserably in the Herald Sun news Paper so now they will have a go in the Daily Telegraph?

    Hows this for a MISS-Leading headline!

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    Trigger happy shooters' gun buying spree
    by: Richard Noone From: The Daily Telegraph January 16, 2012 12:00AM

    NSW is gun mad - and proud of it - with shooters stockpiling almost 100,000 new registered firearms in the past five years.

    The number of gun licences, meanwhile, has only increased by about a fifth, or 18,852 over the same period, showing some are stocking up with numerous weapons.

    There are now 763,359 registered firearms across the state, including 27,956 handguns, compared with 190,844 licences - taking the ratio to four guns for every licensed owner. In some country towns firearms outnumber people - in Ivanhoe, in the state's far west, 273 residents own 432 guns.

    But licences are also set to explode, with nearly 2000 issued in the past month.

    Read More:

    <http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/trigger-happy-shooters-gun-buying-spree/story-e6freuy9-1226244876195>
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    Well they failed miserably in the Herald Sun news Paper so now they will have a go in the Daily Telegraph?

    Hows this for a MISS-Leading headline!

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    Trigger happy shooters' gun buying spree
    by: Richard Noone From: The Daily Telegraph January 16, 2012 12:00AM

    NSW is gun mad - and proud of it - with shooters stockpiling almost 100,000 new registered firearms in the past five years.

    The number of gun licences, meanwhile, has only increased by about a fifth, or 18,852 over the same period, showing some are stocking up with numerous weapons.

    There are now 763,359 registered firearms across the state, including 27,956 handguns, compared with 190,844 licences - taking the ratio to four guns for every licensed owner. In some country towns firearms outnumber people - in Ivanhoe, in the state's far west, 273 residents own 432 guns.

    But licences are also set to explode, with nearly 2000 issued in the past month.

    Read More:

    <http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/trigger-happy-shooters-gun-buying-spree/story-e6freuy9-1226244876195>
    Well Haz. Just for fun I entered a comment on your link...should be interesting if they post it (doubtful) hermannr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    Well they failed miserably in the Herald Sun news Paper so now they will have a go in the Daily Telegraph?

    Hows this for a MISS-Leading headline!

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    Trigger happy shooters' gun buying spree
    by: Richard Noone From: The Daily Telegraph January 16, 2012 12:00AM

    NSW is gun mad - and proud of it - with shooters stockpiling almost 100,000 new registered firearms in the past five years.

    The number of gun licences, meanwhile, has only increased by about a fifth, or 18,852 over the same period, showing some are stocking up with numerous weapons.

    There are now 763,359 registered firearms across the state, including 27,956 handguns, compared with 190,844 licences - taking the ratio to four guns for every licensed owner. In some country towns firearms outnumber people - in Ivanhoe, in the state's far west, 273 residents own 432 guns.

    But licences are also set to explode, with nearly 2000 issued in the past month.

    Read More:

    <http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/trigger-happy-shooters-gun-buying-spree/story-e6freuy9-1226244876195>
    You guys have exploding licenses!? Is that like the self destructing messages from Mission Impossible?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Well Haz. Just for fun I entered a comment on your link...should be interesting if they post it (doubtful) hermannr
    Well done and thank you mate. Should be more of it. I just had a look over there and I noticed a post or two from the US and even Canada I think it was. Any way, the people of Australia are not falling for this crap any more. There is a rising swell realizing that the gun ban has not made it safer here, in fact it has made it much worse than it ever was. Read "Who needs a gun in Australia thread" on this board. I have slowed down posting there because I would fill the section in a matter of days If I posted every savage criminal act on unarmed people. Some people are so sick and tired they are even suggesting a revolution down the track. Now I have never heard that mentioned before. People here are beginning to wake up. They are sick of getting shot at, having their homes invaded, being raped, robbed, bashed and then the Law abiding sporting shooters being blamed for all the gun crime?
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Thanks guys.

    Wes of USA Posted at 8:16 AM Today
    You guys are slacking. People in the U.S. bought 10.8 million guns in 2011. You'll need to buy a lot more to catch up, so get to it. Crime continues to go down in the U.S., btw. More law-abiding citizens with guns, less crime. Funny how that works.


    Richard Gunther of Canada Posted at 2:47 AM Today

    Do what we did in Canada, get rid of the long gun registry. It was useless in Canada and I am sure it is useless in Australia.
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    A big Aussie thank you to all who voted, responded, and took an interest in how things are progressing Down Under. There are many of us in Australia who do care and who do fight for what rights we have left. We are proud to have so many American Friends who care. God Bless you all, Haz.
    When a criminal invades your home and has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.

    My Definition of Gun Control: The idea that dozens of people found dead in the Broadway Café, Tasmania, and many also seriously wounded, all while waiting for police, who were called to show up and protect them, is somehow morally superior to having several armed and therefore alive civilian's explaining to police how the attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz
    Some people are so sick and tired they are even suggesting a revolution down the track.
    I understand that worked out pretty well for another large-acreage British colony a while back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz. View Post
    Thanks guys.

    Wes of USA Posted at 8:16 AM Today
    You guys are slacking. People in the U.S. bought 10.8 million guns in 2011. You'll need to buy a lot more to catch up, so get to it. Crime continues to go down in the U.S., btw. More law-abiding citizens with guns, less crime. Funny how that works.
    That Wes of USA guy sounds pretty smart....

    It's always strange to me reading UK and Australian online newspapers about various subjects, particularly when the subject is guns. The pro-gun comments tend to be something crazy, like 9-to-1 in favor, yet the countries' gun laws are so bad. From that, I can only assume that anti-gun people don't know how to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    That Wes of USA guy sounds pretty smart....

    It's always strange to me reading UK and Australian online newspapers about various subjects, particularly when the subject is guns. The pro-gun comments tend to be something crazy, like 9-to-1 in favor, yet the countries' gun laws are so bad. From that, I can only assume that anti-gun people don't know how to read.
    And here I always thought it was just a matter of not comprehending the information they were reading. You may have discovered the secret as to how the anti's are always spouting "facts" that don't exist and claiming they came from sources that actually said the opposite.
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