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    DPS fingerprinting backlog?

    So I'm on week 11 after submitting my prints and application with my town (Granby). I submitted on 10/26/2011. I called the police station and they said they haven't received anything back from the state on any applications submitted after September. So then I called DPS and several transfers later I got the fingerprinting department. I told him my brief story and he responded that there was a 14 week backlog on sending fingerprints to the FBI. My questions are

    Has anyone else been experiencing a long wait period?
    Doesn't the DPS just have to put the prints in an envelope and mail it to the FBI? They receive it electronically and send it back to the local PD. How in the heck could this take so long?
    Why did the worker answer the phone when theres 14 weeks of work to do?
    Aren't my taxes and fees paying for this service that I'm not receiving?
    Should I contact my State Attorney or Congressmen or do you think they don't care?

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    This is being looked into.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Check-backlog

    Who did you talk to at SPBI?

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    thanks for the info Rich, unfortunately, I did not get the name of the individual at the office of identification. The women I spoke to before the male had told me it was the fingerprinting office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmike View Post
    thanks for the info Rich, unfortunately, I did not get the name of the individual at the office of identification. The women I spoke to before the male had told me it was the fingerprinting office.
    Always get the name of the person you are speaking to when speaking to government officials. Otherwise, nothing they say means anything.

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    From start to finish it took 7 1/2 weeks for me to get my permit. I filed in october so it seems their liein to you. Unless they pick and choose who gets done in no order whatsoever the ur local pd difnt submit the prints right away. They sat on em.

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    Waiting Also

    This past Friday January 13 makes 13 weeks since my and my wife's permit application submission to the Cheshire PD. They indicate that CTDPS hasn't return my application despite being approved by the FBI & town. I've been calling every two weeks and have received courteous responses. After reading some of these posts, I'm starting to get suspicious.

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    File at the Board of firearms permit exmainers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Clavet View Post
    This past Friday January 13 makes 13 weeks since my and my wife's permit application submission to the Cheshire PD. They indicate that CTDPS hasn't return my application despite being approved by the FBI & town. I've been calling every two weeks and have received courteous responses. After reading some of these posts, I'm starting to get suspicious.


    File at the Board of firearms permit exmainers, it is a simple very simple process and form and will promt them to call, which usually light a fire under there you know where. 8 weeks is a technical denial, Period! Your wifes rights are being violated. A womans application in cheshire given the whole home invasion thing U figure they would be a little more sensitive about that matter, anyway it sound like brearucratic lazyness, do yoursel a favor and just file



    Contact Us:

    As of January 17, 2012 the Board's new address is:

    Office of Governmental Accountability
    Attn. Board of Firearms Permit Examiners
    20 Trinity St. 5th floor
    Hartford, CT 06106

    As of January 6, 2012 the Board's new phone number is: 860-256-2977

    and the 5th Floor fax number is 860-256-2997*

    *the fax is shared with other agencies so be sure to use a cover letter.

    E-Mail: firearm.permit.appeals@po.state.ct.us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Clavet View Post
    This past Friday January 13 makes 13 weeks since my and my wife's permit application submission to the Cheshire PD. They indicate that CTDPS hasn't return my application despite being approved by the FBI & town. I've been calling every two weeks and have received courteous responses. After reading some of these posts, I'm starting to get suspicious.
    What are your dates?

    1) Submission of completed application and fingerprints to PD.
    2) The date the PD sent your fingerprints out to the SPBI.
    3) The date your FBI report was received back from the SPBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    What are your dates?

    1) Submission of completed application and fingerprints to PD.
    2) The date the PD sent your fingerprints out to the SPBI.
    3) The date your FBI report was received back from the SPBI.
    Our completed application & fingerprints October 17, 2011.
    The rest of the dates I will be formally requesting from the Cheshire PD.

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    Fingerprinted Jan 03, 2012

    After seven attempts of either a note on the door, a shooting fatality and/ or waiting in line to get fingerprinted for the handgun permit, starting Dec 20 and finally ending Jan 3, I was told it would take 3 MONTHS to get my permit back by the fingerprinting officer, a very nice guy, who apparently is the only person who fingerprints anything that needs this, including being called out to a shooting fatality.

    Has anyone in Stamford been waiting for their permit past the three month mark?

    Jesse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    What are your dates?

    1) Submission of completed application and fingerprints to PD.
    2) The date the PD sent your fingerprints out to the SPBI.
    3) The date your FBI report was received back from the SPBI.
    Here's a response that I got from one of my students today:

    "Just called FBI number to check status.
    According to recorded message/prompts it is taking 8 weeks to process background checks
    and no info is available for the first 4 weeks due to security reasons."

    I originally assumed all the delay was with the CT state background response... Maybe the lag time with FBI background check is compounding the wait time (I still advise to appeal the permit submission at the 8 week mark...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessejames49us View Post
    After seven attempts of either a note on the door, a shooting fatality and/ or waiting in line to get fingerprinted for the handgun permit, starting Dec 20 and finally ending Jan 3, I was told it would take 3 MONTHS to get my permit back by the fingerprinting officer, a very nice guy, who apparently is the only person who fingerprints anything that needs this, including being called out to a shooting fatality.

    Has anyone in Stamford been waiting for their permit past the three month mark?

    Jesse
    What dates do you have?

    1) Submission of completed application and fingerprints to PD.
    2) The date the PD sent your fingerprints out to the SPBI.
    3) The date your FBI report was received back from the SPBI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepinMaxx View Post
    Here's a response that I got from one of my students today:

    "Just called FBI number to check status.
    According to recorded message/prompts it is taking 8 weeks to process background checks
    and no info is available for the first 4 weeks due to security reasons."

    I originally assumed all the delay was with the CT state background response... Maybe the lag time with FBI background check is compounding the wait time (I still advise to appeal the permit submission at the 8 week mark...)
    The FBI records check is an automated process that should take no more than 48 hours.

    The SPBI is reporting a 4 week backlog and that is being looked into right now.

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    when I called the FBI customer support line while my fingerprints were being done their automated line announces they have an 8 week backlog on fingerprints. While speaking with a rep I was told it takes from 12-48 hours for prints to be checked and results sent to the requesting authority. I was also told I couldnt be told the results for some nondescript reason but all the same I received my permit in 7 1/2 weeks.
    Honestly, I doubt this issue has anything to do with any fingerprinting backlog and has more to do with some police departments dragging their heels when submitting the paperwork. Like I said earlier there should be no other reason why I received my permit before the OP when I submitted my paperwork after him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    What dates do you have?
    1) Submission of completed application and fingerprints to PD.
    2) The date the PD sent your fingerprints out to the SPBI.
    3) The date your FBI report was received back from the SPBI.
    Rich,

    Just #1, The submission to the Stamford PD on 1/3/2012.

    Jesse

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    I got my prints taken on October 25th at West Hartford PD. I called the FBI in December and they said that on November 17th they received the prints, processed, and sent them back the same day.

    Looks like they are just jerking your chain.

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    GOPer, yeah, I figured that... I'm not sure who's yanking my chain, the PD said DPS is backlogged, then DPS said that they're backlogged. Yet, several people such as yourself got your permits. Either the PD sat on it for 7 weeks then sent it out AND the DPS is actually backlogged, or someone's screwing with me and the other people having these issues.

    Who in the FBI did you call and what information did you give them? Considering I got fingerprinted the same time you did, I'm curious to see if mine went through to the FBI. Thanks for your help

    I'm reluctant to file for an appeal because on that application and questionaire they want a record of my driving violations which is another $30. I've had 2 speeding tickets and the last one was over 10 years ago. Then, looking at the board of appeals site, it looks like the next closest date for an appeal is August 9th.

    To stay optimistic, as messed up as this state is, at least its not New York, California, or Massachusetts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmike View Post
    it looks like the next closest date for an appeal is August 9th.
    And everyday you wait you push that date out, so what does waiting accomplish? Appeal as soon as you have all three dates. Start calling for the dates now.

    SPBI:
    http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2154&q=294426

    FBI:
    CJIS Customer Service Group at (304) 625-5590

    You are the customer and these dates are public information. The SPBI has the duty under the FOI act to provide you with 'prompt access' to this information. If they don't want to to give it to you, ask them when it will be available to pick up in person.
    Last edited by Rich B; 01-17-2012 at 09:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansmike View Post
    I'm reluctant to file for an appeal because on that application and questionaire they want a record of my driving violations which is another $30.
    See if you can find your history here:

    http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/SearchByDefDisp.aspx

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    Calling the FBI is useless. you'll get a different answer every time.

    Rich is right, it is an automated process, scan and send.

    People are getting their permits in less than a month in some towns. I'm sure they don't have a magic wand or anything to get their prints through quicker.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Stonewalling regarding fingerprint inrformation

    Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:05 AM
    To: 'reuben.bradford@ct.gov'; Seth.Mancini@po.state.ct.us; 'DPS Dawn Hellier'; 'christina.lussier@po.state.ct.us'
    Cc: 'attorney.general@ct.gov'; 'rbaird@rachelbairdlaw.com'; 'foi@ct.gov'
    Subject: FW: Finger Print Status FOI #12-008


    To: Commissioner Ruben Bradford, c/o Trooper Hatfield, Sgt. Mancini and Atty. Dawn Hellier,

    As you know, this request was initially made on January 4th 2012.

    For the Record, I believe that the Commissioner is the proper custodian of the records” and should be able to mandate compliance with state law regarding access to public records in his agency.

    If the individuals you have asked have not complied with your request, you may find it advantageous to make the Commissioner aware of the situation.

    Should this issue require that I file a complaint with the FOI and seek civil penalties against the Commissioner, please be prepared to explain and justify the current delays in providing the requested prompt access.

    I have just left a verbal voice mail and requested that it be preserved for any possible FOI hearing regarding this request.

    I am concerned that this FOI request may be delayed while FOI requests made after the initial request was made are honored and completed.

    The information is time sensitive and involves a core constitutional right to acquire the Permit or Eligibility Certificate needed to exercise a core Federal and State Right to obtain and possess firearms in the home of those who are currently attempting to obtain same.

    If I do not have a reasonable explanation for the current delay, I will file with the FOIC by the end of today or tomorrow.

    Respectfully,

    Edward A. Peruta
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    Via Email
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    $50,000.00 Voicemail from Trooper Thomas Hatfield

    The following is a transcript of a phone message left by Trooper Thomas Hatfield regarding the current backlog of State and National Criminal History Records Checks regarding Applications for Permits to Carry Pistols and Revolvers.

    Ed itís Tom Iím calling you back um anyway I did get your message previously from this morning and ah Iím working on it looks like thereís over a thousand of these things so, Iíll talk to you soon bye.One has to wonder how this backlog was allowed to get this out of hand.

    The fees were paid and may represent $50,000 dollarsin revenue to the State of Connecticut based on the fees collected at $50.00 per request.

    Ed Peruta

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    There is no excuse for SPBI to have a backlog of even one permit application. They are denying people a fundamental human right with their procrastination.

    The DPS needs to provide answers for this.

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    1080 PP (Pistol Permit State Records checks backlogged

    I just go off the phone with Trooper Thomas Hatfield who says he is in possession of a list containing 1080 names with other information regarding the current backlog.

    I have agreed to allow him to redact the names on the current list which does not have the local issuing authorities listed.

    Trooper Hatfield is going to attempt to get a new list from SPBI with the names of issuing authorities that will receive the background checks.

    A link to the list(s) will be posted when it is redceived.

    Shame on all the state officials that have allowed this backlog to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Peruta View Post
    [/B]Shame on all the state officials that have allowed this backlog to exist.
    Shame on them for giving shady or false information back to the citizens who paid for the service to begin with.

    Sad they don't look at their job as being paid for by citizens paying an insane fee for a background check.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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