That POOR LEO has been FIRED.

deepdiver said:

How heinous does an LEO's behavior have to be before the union says, "Good luck. You're on your own." I don't mean that sarcastically. Does anyone know?

As an employer, and before that as a manager and COO over 20 some years, I learned to have my employees' backs, however there are some things you can't defend.

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Deanimator said:

There's NOTHING that the FOP won't excuse, defend or deny.

In 1996, the Chicago Lodge went on National Public Radio to demand that a proposed Illinois law to disarm those convicted of domestic violence exempt cops.

Psychos, wife beaters, it's all the same to the FOP. As long as they're wearing a badge, it's all good.

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Dreamer said:

If "Officer Harless" is a veteran, and diagnosed with PTSD, and has ever been committed for mental care, he may be a "prohibited person", I think, according to the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2640


Someone needs to look into this. Getting this "officer's" 2A rights stripped would be the next best thing to a full-monte Federal 1983 Civil Rights violation judgement against him...

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Deanimator said:

In 1996, the Chicago Lodge went on National Public Radio to demand that a proposed Illinois law to disarm those convicted of domestic violence exempt cops.

Psychos, wife beaters, it's all the same to the FOP. As long as they're wearing a badge, it's all good.

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decklin said:

If he's a veteran it doesn't say in this article. According to this article his PTSD was caused in 2003 while on duty.

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Dreamer said:

Interesting little bit of trivia: when the Lautenberg amendment went into effect, there were literally THOUSANDS of LEOs who lost their jobs because they were now Federally Prohibited Persons.

Law Enforcement as a "profession" has one of the highest statistical incidences of domestic violence and child abuse. So they're not just violating the public--they do it at home too--with alarming frequency...

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1. You can't take a cop's gun away just because he beats his wife. It's his "tool of the trade". Being NPR, nobody thought to ask why that didn't apply equally to hitmen like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.
2. Taking the gun from an angry, violent cop will only make him MORE angry and violent. Again, nobody asked whether taking the gun from a hitman would make HIM more angry and violent.
3. You can trust a cop who beats his wife, to carry a gun because he'll be "closely supervised"... just apparently not closely enough to keep him from kicking her teeth down her throat.

since9 said:

All I can say is "Thank You" to the folks in Canton who fired him, as well as I hope this and similar cases will keep being staunch reminders to law enforcement that you, as do we all, have fairly well-defined boundaries which, when crossed, will earn some serious repercussions.

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Deanimator said:

The proposed Illinois law (1996) predated the Lautenberg Amendment.

That was literally the STRANGEST interview I've ever heard on NPR. Only their interview of the "roving ambassador" of the Taliban approached it in creepiness. Their arguments in favor of arming [police] wife beaters were as follows:

1. You can't take a cop's gun away just because he beats his wife. It's his "tool of the trade". Being NPR, nobody thought to ask why that didn't apply equally to hitmen like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano.
2. Taking the gun from an angry, violent cop will only make him MORE angry and violent. Again, nobody asked whether taking the gun from a hitman would make HIM more angry and violent.
3. You can trust a cop who beats his wife, to carry a gun because he'll be "closely supervised"... just apparently not closely enough to keep him from kicking her teeth down her throat.

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sudden valley gunner said:

I am amazed at how many stories of cops who are abusive (domestically) and who are caught committing other crimes are on the news, I once tried to compile a list to make a statistical analysis with a ratio compared to the general public. But finding statistics on police behavior is seems to be a tough search (especially if you want to keep it local) You can find many stories though, by googling corruption even in small towns surrounding your area.

By my simple observation, there are more criminals in that profession than any other legally recognized profession. Which goes along with my assessment that the Law Enforcement attracts certain types of individual and the more power we give them the worse type of individuals fill the ranks.

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DocWalker said:

I concur, I know a lot of LE and when I was in the USAF most of the people being busted for theft was the Security Forces. They think nthey know the system and how to get away with not getting caught.

Like wise most of the drug abusers (pills) have been people that work in the hospital. It all has to do with access and feeling you know the system.

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OC for ME said:

This thread is treading close to a rule violation.

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sudden valley gunner said:

I am amazed at how many stories of cops who are abusive (domestically) and who are caught committing other crimes are on the news, I once tried to compile a list to make a statistical analysis with a ratio compared to the general public. But finding statistics on police behavior is seems to be a tough search (especially if you want to keep it local) You can find many stories though, by googling corruption even in small towns surrounding your area.

By my simple observation, there are more criminals in that profession than any other legally recognized profession. Which goes along with my assessment that the Law Enforcement attracts certain types of individual and the more power we give them the worse type of individuals fill the ranks.

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FTG-05 said:

I came across this site a couple weeks ago from a link in a discussion forum on Harless. I have no clue how accurate it is, but it is interesting reading. http://policecrimes.com/forum/

I know two people that have no use for LEO's: My uncle (RIP) and a former police officer. My uncle was beat up by several police officers in NM years ago due to their negligence and his complaining about it at town meetings. The former police officer quit and got another career due to the illegal activities that were condoned by those in charge.

The more I read about lawfully armed citizens and LEO's, the less I want to do with LEO's.

My .02.

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sudden valley gunner said:

Thanks for the link I agree with your assessment I know a few former cops who have left because they thought they could do some good and change how police are viewed and how they operate. But you if you don't play by the gangs rules it is very hard for you so they quit frustrated.

Shortly after my post I found this Study that seems to back up what I was saying there are more crooks in LE than in the general population. I am by no way saying all cops are bad but a bad corrupt system attracts bad corrupt cops.
http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?page_id=4135

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HighFlyingA380 said:

Anyone have a link to the dash cam video?

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Simpson said he examined the question of whether “a threat (is) being made when you say, ‘I should have’ or ‘I should do this,’ but (Harless does not) fulfill any of those.”

When considering the criminal charges, Simpson said, the prosecutor’s office determined Harless did not attempt to cause physical harm by touching or assaulting Bartlett.

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2903.21 Aggravated menacing.

(A) No person shall knowingly cause another to believe that the offender will cause serious physical harm to the person or property of the other person, the other person’s unborn, or a member of the other person’s immediate family.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated menacing. Except as otherwise provided in this division, aggravated menacing is a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the victim of the offense is an officer or employee of a public children services agency or a private child placing agency and the offense relates to the officer’s or employee’s performance or anticipated performance of official responsibilities or duties, aggravated menacing is a felony of the fifth degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to an offense of violence, the victim of that prior offense was an officer or employee of a public children services agency or private child placing agency, and that prior offense related to the officer’s or employee’s performance or anticipated performance of official responsibilities or duties, a felony of the fourth degree.

Effective Date: 04-10-2001

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