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    Pardoning Murderers

    "... Four of the convicted murderers who were pardoned include David Gatlin, Joseph Ozment, Anthony McCray and Charles Hooker. Gatlin was convicted of shooting his estranged wife, Tammy Ellis Gatlin, in 1993 while she held the couple’s infant son in her dying arms. Ozment shot and killed 33-year-old Ricky Montgomery during a store robbery in 1992. McCray shot and killed his wife, Jennifer, in 2001 following an argument the two had in a café. Hooker, a teacher, shot his school principal to death in 1991. ..."

    http://joybehar.blogs.cnn.com/video/...rdons-convicts

    Can a murderer pay his debt to society to such an extent, that he is set free, and is record expunged of his murder?

    Is this Republican Governor (former) actually taking a rather practical approach to how the criminal system ought to operate, not how it is?

    He really took a big step, and I wonder if there are others who would go to the extent that he has.

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    Its my understanding they were trustees who worked in the governors mansion.

    I wonder if they "saw things" or "heard things" while working there. I wonder if a little silence isn't being purchased.

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    If murderers were promptly executed (as they SHOULD be) then there'd be no opportunity to pardon any of them, regardless of who's doing it.

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    I believe all convicted individuals who have committed actual crimes against persons or property should be kept away from society until they no longer pose a threat to the rest of us. Whether this is accomplished through executions or incarcerations matters not to me, but neither probation/parole nor unsupervised "felon" status fit the bill. I will say that from a cost perspective, prompt execution makes the most sense for those who cannot be rehabilitated. In my estimation, 100% of child molesters, rapists, and premeditated murderers cannot be rehabilitated.

    EDIT: For the record, I would support a procedural rule that all death penalty convictions be supported by DNA evidence, verified by three independent experts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    If murderers were promptly executed (as they SHOULD be) then there'd be no opportunity to pardon any of them, regardless of who's doing it.
    While I tend to agree with you in spirit, there have been numerous cases of men being wrongly convicted only to be later cleared by DNA. Even if this happens only .001% of the time, is that a chance that we are willing to take? I am personally torn when it comes to the death penalty. Why I believe it is an appropriate punishment for the crime, I also wonder if men are best qualified to pass such judgement.

    In regards to the pardon, I don't really get it in this case. To me it seems extreme to pardon a murderer. His reasoning for pardoning is poor at best. Perhaps Citizen is on the right track. I seem to remember some pardons that back-fired and the pardonee ended up back in jail. Perhaps that will turn out to be the case here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    While I tend to agree with you in spirit, there have been numerous cases of men being wrongly convicted only to be later cleared by DNA. Even if this happens only .001% of the time, is that a chance that we are willing to take? I am personally torn when it comes to the death penalty. Why I believe it is an appropriate punishment for the crime, I also wonder if men are best qualified to pass such judgement....
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    We can't trust government to do most anything else right so how can we trust them to justly put people to death? If it was absolutely sure that someone committed murder, their death would be a just punishment but I'd rather let 100 guilty men go free than have one innocent man put to death.
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    I support the death penalty and not just for murder. But I sony agree that the executions should be immediate. There needs to be time allotted for the convicted to compile evidence for an appeal.

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    Perhaps the murderers will not be released as quick as they think they will.

    Miss. court reviews whether Barbour broke law with pardons
    http://usat.ly/xH4qKD
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    At least one I them is already in the wind, and is being sought by the state, according to CNN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    If murderers were promptly executed (as they SHOULD be) then there'd be no opportunity to pardon any of them, regardless of who's doing it.
    The Taxpayer would be paying alot less. And the gubment wouldn't be in as bad a fiscal pickel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brion View Post
    The Taxpayer would be paying alot less. And the gubment wouldn't be in as bad a fiscal pickel.
    Actually, unless you have a cite to back this up, it is my understanding that keeping someone on death row and then executing them costs quite a bit more than simply incarcerating them.

    https://death.rdsecure.org/article.php?id=42

    http://outofthestormnews.com/2011/04...mation-center/
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    In cases where the individual has been definitively proven to have engaged in an act that mandates the death penalty, they should receive the death penalty. Example: Police raid a home, arrest a suspected serial killer, and find bodies buried in the back yard--execute! Police respond to a call where a man is raping a woman, and there is either observed and DNA evidence that the crime was voilent (all rape is violent but, I hope people get my point here in what I mean by that; that includes female rapists of course)--executed!

    Who we should not execute are individuals where there are no DNA evidence, and that much of the convictions depends on the confession of the individual. I would rather see a man free after thirty years in prison of wrongful conviction, than a man found to be wrongfully convicted but, has been executed. I am sure the innocent men being executed would rather have the former as well.
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    More accurate would be the Governor from the Republican party. Its not much of a Republican, conservative or free market idea for the government to steal private property for the sole purpose of selling to another private party for the benefit of the beneficiary of the property. The Gov got in because the former Governor (democrat) Muskrat was bankrupting the state with welfare checks for deadbeats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    More accurate would be the Governor from the Republican party. Its not much of a Republican, conservative or free market idea for the government to steal private property for the sole purpose of selling to another private party for the benefit of the beneficiary of the property. The Gov got in because the former Governor (democrat) Muskrat was bankrupting the state with welfare checks for deadbeats.
    Well then, since you put it that way, our economic troubles are the result of Bush W., not President Obama. Thank you for framing it in this way.

    Well, it is Republicans who do these things as well. To act is if there are not, or that they are somehow not "true Republicans" is nonsense. Accept responsibility for your politicians Republicans!
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Well then, since you put it that way, our economic troubles are the result of Bush W., not President Obama. Thank you for framing it in this way.

    Well, it is Republicans who do these things as well. To act is if there are not, or that they are somehow not "true Republicans" is nonsense. Accept responsibility for your politicians Republicans!
    Eh? what I meant by state was the State of Mississippi as in the State government.

    Picking the greater of two evils because the lesser did a few things I don't like is silly; it just gives the worse candidate a chance to do even more horrible things. And I'll vote for a Democrat when a libertarian is their nominee (or the democrat is more of one than the repub).
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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