Seriously - a quick reach down to unbunch the 'ole undies would probably be helpful for you, I think.
When all else fails, reach for ad hominem.
I'm not sure why you seem to want to take a condescending/lecturing approach here but my answer didn't say anything about claiming to have a (supposed) "necessity/responsibility" to supply a cite. My answer was to simply state that it was the same one that you and I had discussed earlier. A mention. A reminder. That the point made then is identical to the point raised now.
Condescending is not my style, lecturing is when deemed appropriate i.e. law not cited when requested - not everyone read the prior, they should be so privileged also.
I'll expand on that then so that you can better understand my point. A sticky point has nothing to do with there being "nothing unusual in it." The sticky point that I alluded to had to do with the situation described by the OP, "Now this brings me into my next question do I have to show id in VA. If so that answers my question if not what information do I have to give?"
Requirement to show hard copy ID is limited in Virginia, generally to traffic stop and demand to show CHP when carrying concealed
And with regard to that, my point (the sticky point) was that some cities do have a stop and ID law. And while the OP may in fact be under no specific legal obligation (at least as I understand it) to produce an actual ID, they will have to provide the information. And the information that is required is not as you suggest to "give your name (first only?) and county of residence." The law (cited above) requires "name and address" and your first name is clearly only a partial answer as that does nothing to positively identify you, and a county of residence is not an actual "address." So your suggesting that the OP (or anyone) need only give a partial answer and no address seems pretty evasive to me and I'd bet that a LEO would consider that to be the same as "providing false information." Which would then be another sticky point.
There is a distinct difference between being required to produce hard copy ID and giving the information voluntarily, whether in part or in full.
A sticky point is defined as a "point, issue or situation that causes or is likely to cause an impasse." (The Free Dictionary)
That is the point. In order to have an impasse there must be a point of contention, not in agreement.
And in this OP presented situation, the sticky point that I referred to is that most likely the LEO will not be satisfied with an individual simply verbally providing the required by law (local law) information but will instead ask for identification (driver's license, etc.). You can refuse I suppose from what I read of the law, but they can then insist. And that's why it would be a sticky point. The impasse created by refusal to produce identification and the resulting demand to do so. Sticky point.
An officer may "demand" or "insist" and not be satisfied all he/she wishes. That does not make it legal, justifiable or reasonable w/o RAS.
Additionally, what I can tell you for a fact is that here in VA BH despite the law only requiring someone to identify themselves, I have seen LEO request identification documents (driver's license). I've seen that happen multiple times when I have ridden with LEO, and I've even had it requested of me once related to response to a call for service. To refuse may well be within your rights, but that's probably not something that I want to be arrested for -- an officer's belief that the law requires producing identification rather than providing identification information.
You obviously have the option to make your own choices and determinations based on your in depth experience gained through your ride-alongs. Sarcasm intended. The requirement to produce DL had already been addressed as have all other ID demands subject to RAS - even then, when not driving, I submit that most circumstances do NOT compel submitting to demand for hard copy ID or to such specific format as officer may request. I have heard of demand for social security number, place of employment, how long have you lived there - all are for the purpose of confirming who and what you are. All are extra legal and made under color of law.
You may acquiesce to such foolishness, I will not. Some may give limited information as a matter of convenience, but to simply roll over and produce is to become part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Sticky point.
