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    Volume of concealed-gun permits swamps Wisconsin. 71K applied, 51K printed

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...137397823.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Stein, MJS
    The state fell behind Dec. 30 on its obligations under the new law, which requires new applications to be handled within 21 days.

    So far, nearly 71,000 people have applied for permits and swamped state officials at the Department of Justice, who have printed more than 51,000 so far. That comes as handgun sales and the state background checks for those sales reached record highs last year.

    But the state is not offering any financial compensation for those who paid the $50 fee for a license but who have to wait beyond the legal deadline.

    So far, about 1,100 applicants have been denied, Brueck said. Most of the denials are for reasons such as the applicant's address didn't match other state records, leaving open the possibility the person could correct that information, reapply and receive a permit.

    "We've gone 130 years without the right to carry. I've told our members they can wait another week or two," Clark said.
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    Snip...

    "We've gone 130 years without the right to carry. I've told our members they can wait another week or two," Clark said.
    "We have always had the right to carry, we just had to wait 130 years to be able to conceal carry legally"...

    There..... Fixed it....

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    71,000 so far. That's more than I thought would apply in the beginning.
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    Wisconsin has not issued any Concealed Carry PERMITS.

    Jason Stein (the reporter), should at least call it a LICENSE.

    His credibility is already reduced.
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    LICENSE- Certificate or the document itself which gives permission. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1067)

    PERMIT- To suffer, allow, consent, let; to give leave or license; to acquiesce, by failure to prevent, or to expressly assent or agree to the doing of an act. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1298)


    So by definition, they are one in the same.
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    permit (noun) 1: a written warrant or license granted by one having authority <a gun permit>
    license (noun) 2a : a permission granted by competent authority to engage in a business or occupation or in an activity otherwise unlawful b : a document, plate, or tag evidencing a license granted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    LICENSE- Certificate or the document itself which gives permission. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1067)

    PERMIT- To suffer, allow, consent, let; to give leave or license; to acquiesce, by failure to prevent, or to expressly assent or agree to the doing of an act. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1298)


    So by definition, they are one in the same.
    You should check the Wisconsin statutes.

    The wrong term is used in your linked FAQ as well.
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    Thumbs up Sweet!

    The rate of applications coming in has stabilized at around 417/day and the applications are being processed at the rate of 1330/day. If those numbers stay steady, the DOJ will be caught up on January 28th! Sweet!
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    If the rate contines at 417 a day, 190,000 by the end of the first year

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    71,000 so far. That's more than I thought would apply in the beginning.
    If the rate of 417 per day continues through the first year, Wisconsin will have issued 190,000 permits by the end of the first year. That would be over 3.5 percent of the population, a very good showing.

    We are at close to one percent issued already, probably will be at 1.5 percent by the end of the month.

    No state that has passed a shall issue CCW bill has ever repealed it. Three states have already expanded their shall issue bills to constitutional carry. More are pushing for constitutional carry this year, with a bill passed the house in New Hampshire and filed in South Dakota.

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    The Capital Times says the population of Wisconsin over 21 is 4.3 million. 200,000 licenses means over 4.5% of those age eligible are expected to obtain a license. If ineligible (such as felons) and those not likely to obtain a license (such as nursing home residents) are not included in the calculation, the percentage becomes even higher. Politicians, especially Democrats and RINOS, would be wise to appreciate this percentage in a purple state where elections are often decided by a few percentage points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    The Capital Times says the population of Wisconsin over 21 is 4.3 million. 200,000 licenses means over 4.5% of those age eligible are expected to obtain a license. If ineligible (such as felons) and those not likely to obtain a license (such as nursing home residents) are not included in the calculation, the percentage becomes even higher. Politicians, especially Democrats and RINOS, would be wise to appreciate this percentage in a purple state where elections are often decided by a few percentage points.
    You accurately are describing the power of an active, informed minority. This is the dynamic that expands shall issue programs and leads to constitutional carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    The Capital Times says the population of Wisconsin over 21 is 4.3 million. 200,000 licenses means over 4.5% of those age eligible are expected to obtain a license. If ineligible (such as felons) and those not likely to obtain a license (such as nursing home residents) are not included in the calculation, the percentage becomes even higher. Politicians, especially Democrats and RINOS, would be wise to appreciate this percentage in a purple state where elections are often decided by a few percentage points.
    According to the 2010 census, Wisconsin's population was 5,686,986. 72.2% (4,106,004) were 21 or older and 6.7% (381,028) were 75 and older. That leaves a pool of 3,724,976 people who could conceivably apply for a license.... 200,000 licenses would be 5.4% of that population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoorsman1 View Post
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    "We have always had the right to carry, we just had to wait 130 years to be able to conceal carry legally"...

    There..... Fixed it....

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    Not to argue, but.....

    While state statutes have never prohibited open carry, almost every municipality did until 66.0409 was passed. That is when Open Carry truly became legal state wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BROKENSPROKET View Post
    Not to argue, but.....

    While state statutes have never prohibited open carry, almost every municipality did until 66.0409 was passed. That is when Open Carry truly became legal state wide.
    That is an excellent point. Statute 66.092 was created by 1995 Act 72 effective Nov. 18, 1995. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/1995/related/acts/72. The statute was renumbered by 1999 Act 150 to 66.0409. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/sta...tes/66/IV/0409
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    71000 x 50=3550000 dollars way more then they need to get the job done. This is a real money maker for the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firearms Iinstuctor View Post
    71000 x 50=3550000 dollars way more then they need to get the job done. This is a real money maker for the state.
    They need to monitor court release and sentencing orders into the future. The CCL information needs to be available for quick lookup 24x7 to verify status by LEO or the courts. That will take a lot of resources. The job is NOT done, when the CCL is issued or denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    LICENSE- Certificate or the document itself which gives permission. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1067)

    PERMIT- To suffer, allow, consent, let; to give leave or license; to acquiesce, by failure to prevent, or to expressly assent or agree to the doing of an act. (Blacks Law 4th ed, Pg 1298)


    So by definition, they are one in the same.
    We have a winner! While it shows the reporter isn't familiar with the actual process, it really doesn't make any difference.

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    You will find that a lot of CCW permit holders will be 75 or older.

    Quote Originally Posted by davegran View Post
    According to the 2010 census, Wisconsin's population was 5,686,986. 72.2% (4,106,004) were 21 or older and 6.7% (381,028) were 75 and older. That leaves a pool of 3,724,976 people who could conceivably apply for a license.... 200,000 licenses would be 5.4% of that population.
    I have been giving CCW classes in Arizona for the last 16 years. A significant percentage of those who obtain the permit are 75 or older.

    In Arizona, about 1/6 of the permits are issued to those over 70.

    Here are the statistics for Arizona CCW permits:

    http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concea...ns/Statistics/
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