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    Anyone else here a Ham (amateur radio ) operator and carry ?

    Just wondering what kind of charges the JBT's in Marshfield could come up with . . . I'm the President of the local Ham club and constantly have a handheld two-way on my hip . I'm wondering if there could be an "impersonation" charge if I'm carrying a weapon and a radio . ( The 2-way would , obviously NOT be tuned to any public service frequency during this time .)


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pennsylvanian View Post
    Just wondering what kind of charges the JBT's in Marshfield could come up with . . . I'm the President of the local Ham club and constantly have a handheld two-way on my hip . I'm wondering if there could be an "impersonation" charge if I'm carrying a weapon and a radio . ( The 2-way would , obviously NOT be tuned to any public service frequency during this time .)


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    Just carry your Amateur Radio License with you. If the "JBT" ask about your radio, you can explain and show your license. I believe we are required to have our (radio) license on us, if operating a Ham radio anyway.






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    Extra class. Current work / family demands don't really allow time for it now. I used to carry a portable with me all the time. Now I do it only when severe WX is expected.

    I was once pulled over (years ago) for 'suspicion of impersonating an officer' when I was a mile or two from AES (milwaukee) on my way to the store there. The local officer said that they had been having problems with 'someone pulling people over and giving warnings'. Since I had all sorts of antenne, I was 'suspicious'. Never mind the Amatuer Radio plates and the Toyota truck (looks kinda like a Crown Vic ). Must have been a new guy that didn't realize that one of the largest ham stores is located in Milwaukee.

    My current LEO (local and Fed) friends are of the attitude that if 'it' (whatever the activity is) isn't really causing a problem and it can be resolved without further action, then leave it alone. Save everyone the hassle and the paperwork if it isn't really nessasary. They actually believe, as I do, that if it can be resolved with only some stong encouragement on their part, we can all walk away with the problem solved.

    I have no desire to be mistaken for LE. Its a very difficult job that I would not be very good at. I would'nt make it 1/2 mile from the station before i'd have to return for more ticket books and to drop off prisoners. No tolerance for idiots, as is required by someone in that occupation. Way too much patience needed.

    There will be times that I have both a firearm and a radio on me. So be it. I will have both 'permits' on me.

    Don't even get me started on the same Amatuer plates on more than one vehicle. That one has been a real interesting issue with LE. Sorry about digressing from the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preferred Customer View Post
    Just carry your Amateur Radio License with you. If the "JBT" ask about your radio, you can explain and show your license. I believe we are required to have our (radio) license on us, if operating a Ham radio anyway.
    We are not required to have our HAM license on us in WI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    We are not required to have our HAM license on us in WI.
    It's a federal issue, not state.

    I checked and no, you don't have to have your document on you to operate.

    http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...t_1&id=amateur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preferred Customer View Post
    It's a federal issue, not state.

    I checked and no, you don't have to have your document on you to operate.

    http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...t_1&id=amateur
    Are there any states that do require you to have it? I could have sworn NY did (I'm sure there are others).
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    That's pretty much what I was figuring , anyway . I DO keep the mini copy of my ticket in my wallet , so it really isn't much of an issue , I was just glad to see the rest of ya share the inclination I have .

    Thanks for the input . General class , after I upgrade to Extra I'll change the call to something with a 3 , maybe. Kinda like my first call .

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    Just an FYI, I wouldn't post my call sign here. I think you know why.

    The is only one place that has my call sign, and it on that one forum that requires you to use your call sign as your login (I think you can figure it out).
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    Yeah , Protias , I thought hard about that before I clicked "ENTER" key , but then realized between my profile on "who's calling me? " , and the one on Plowsite.com , that I've already put the info out there. Still , I think I will ediut it , even though this IS the internet , and that stuff's there forever now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Are there any states that do require you to have it? I could have sworn NY did (I'm sure there are others).
    If memory serves, there are a few states that require it; if you posess a receiver capable of receiving any law enforcement frequencies in a moving vehicle. Which most ham radios do. I think KY was strict about this a few years back. So I always have mine, just in case. Wisconsin does not have this requirement.

    And,... I would not put my callsign out here either.

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    Links to check

    Try these, info at your own risk:

    http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/scanner5.html

    http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scan...o/scanlaws.htm

    So, IN says you can carry at 18, but don't ever have a scanner in your car. KY can destroy your radio too. Hhmmff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helorob View Post
    Try these, info at your own risk:

    http://www.afn.org/~afn09444/scanlaws/scanner5.html

    http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scan...o/scanlaws.htm

    So, IN says you can carry at 18, but don't ever have a scanner in your car. KY can destroy your radio too. Hhmmff.
    A friend of mine was travelling through the South and had a KY Trooper stop him , he heard the scanner , seized it , and proceeded to flatten it with the front tire of his Caprice ( yes, this was QUITE a few years ago .)
    My buddy went back later and collected the pieces to show us when he got home.
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    General class ham here also ... as for the radio, I was OCing and had a confrontation with a local LEO who mentioned that when i was aked aobut the side arm and how his wife thought i might be a LEO that she didnt know... I always have my ht on me, or at least close...

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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Just an FYI, I wouldn't post my call sign here. I think you know why.

    The is only one place that has my call sign, and it on that one forum that requires you to use your call sign as your login (I think you can figure it out).
    This.

    Also, a gun and radio does not a police officer make. Anyone that wants either can have one

    If someone mistakes someone with a gun and a radio for a cop, that's their problem. We've seen plenty of stories of people getting mistaken for a cop with just an open carried handgun. Now adding on that ridiculous license holder to your belt isn't going to do you any favors. IMO, even without a radio those make you look like you're trying to look like a cop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SovereignAxe View Post
    This.

    Also, a gun and radio does not a police officer make. Anyone that wants either can have one

    If someone mistakes someone with a gun and a radio for a cop, that's their problem. We've seen plenty of stories of people getting mistaken for a cop with just an open carried handgun. Now adding on that ridiculous license holder to your belt isn't going to do you any favors. IMO, even without a radio those make you look like you're trying to look like a cop.
    I had 3 state troopers and 3 county deputies try and say I was impersonating them. Let's just say I'm glad WCI was around to help for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    I had 3 state troopers and 3 county deputies try and say I was impersonating them. Let's just say I'm glad WCI was around to help for that.
    I think there's some interesting psychology to go along with that that someone with a background in could explain more.

    But it reminds me. I work in a hospital switchboard office and we have a handheld UHF radio we use to communicate with hospital security. We've got a guy that used to be a firefighter that works in our office and if he's on the shift, you better believe that the radio is going to be with him. And whenever we change policy that reduces our need to radio security (which we have recently), he's not happy about it.

    Also, my fiancee's father is a police officer, and I don't know if it's something she picked up through association, but she has this thing about black semi-auto pistols, and that they feel like something police (her dad) wears (he carries a Glock), and something she shouldn't mess with. It's probably something instilled in her from when she was a kid. So I definitely think that the police feel like the gun and the radio is something that belongs to them, and that anyone else that's holding one (and definitely both) and doesn't have a badge is a threat to their authority.

    I doubt many would admit that, including to themselves, but actions speak louder than words, and the actions we've seen would definitely point in that direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pennsylvanian View Post
    Just wondering what kind of charges the JBT's in Marshfield could come up with . . . I'm the President of the local Ham club and constantly have a handheld two-way on my hip . I'm wondering if there could be an "impersonation" charge if I'm carrying a weapon and a radio . ( The 2-way would , obviously NOT be tuned to any public service frequency during this time .)


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    I have been wanting to get a HAM license for decades...

    Now is the time to do it, I guess.

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    Extra class here.

    I went the long route Novice 1 year, tech 2 years, general 1 year, advanced for several years and Extra for the last 25 or so. But inactive for most of the last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    I have been wanting to get a HAM license for decades...

    Now is the time to do it, I guess.
    Getting your Technician's license is pretty easy. There is no CW (Morse code) requirement anymore.
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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    I have been wanting to get a HAM license for decades...

    Now is the time to do it, I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    Getting your Technician's license is pretty easy. There is no CW (Morse code) requirement anymore.
    The first time I took my Tech test was blind and on a whim ; I only missed some of the "History" questions of amateur radio . I studied for twenty minutes, saw what I did wrong , retook the test and aced it .

    I would recommend amateur radio to anyone reasonably intelligent that wants to try new things. It's a great hobby ; and some aspects cross over with being a shooter , especially if one is a reloader . We ( hams ) hombrew much of our equipment ( antennas mostly , for me ) . There's also hams that would rather shell out uber cash for the latest greatest gadgety do it all for ya radio , and hams that take what we have available and improvise . Great way to meet people , too .

    A pretty tight knight group we are , and yes , people DO stare . . . LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pennsylvanian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ccwinstructor View Post
    I have been wanting to get a HAM license for decades...

    Now is the time to do it, I guess.

    The first time I took my Tech test was blind and on a whim ; I only missed some of the "History" questions of amateur radio . I studied for twenty minutes, saw what I did wrong , retook the test and aced it .

    I would recommend amateur radio to anyone reasonably intelligent that wants to try new things. It's a great hobby ; and some aspects cross over with being a shooter , especially if one is a reloader . We ( hams ) hombrew much of our equipment ( antennas mostly , for me ) . There's also hams that would rather shell out uber cash for the latest greatest gadgety do it all for ya radio , and hams that take what we have available and improvise . Great way to meet people , too .

    A pretty tight knight group we are , and yes , people DO stare . . . LOL
    what bands and modes are you most active on? Ive not been on HF much the past few years...gonna get more into it this winter...i like CW on 30m and hopefully will catch some band openings on 10 also..

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    At home, HF . . . 20 and 40 ssb mostly .Been wanting to play with some PSK but need the computer to rig thingy , Signal-Link box . Got an OCF Dipole strung out in the back yard , but it's too short to effectively radiate on anything below 40 meters . Yaesu FT-1000MP for hf-10M , Icom V-8000 for VHF work with an Isopole about fifteen feet up. DIsplay lamp on the ft1000 went kaput so now my hf is mobile , Icom 706 .

    At work , strictly VHF ( use to do 440 but my EDC rig , a Yaesu ft-60 bit the dust .) Now I'm rocking an ancient Kenwood TR-2600 in a Bianchi Gunleather holster made for it. The FT-60 either lived on its belt clip or in a holster for a Vertex Standard commercial rig . THe Bianchi holster is superior in every way .

    I have WAAAAY more radios than that , but these are just the ones currently in service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pennsylvanian View Post
    At home, HF . . . 20 and 40 ssb mostly .Been wanting to play with some PSK but need the computer to rig thingy , Signal-Link box . Got an OCF Dipole strung out in the back yard , but it's too short to effectively radiate on anything below 40 meters . Yaesu FT-1000MP for hf-10M , Icom V-8000 for VHF work with an Isopole about fifteen feet up. DIsplay lamp on the ft1000 went kaput so now my hf is mobile , Icom 706 .

    At work , strictly VHF ( use to do 440 but my EDC rig , a Yaesu ft-60 bit the dust .) Now I'm rocking an ancient Kenwood TR-2600 in a Bianchi Gunleather holster made for it. The FT-60 either lived on its belt clip or in a holster for a Vertex Standard commercial rig . THe Bianchi holster is superior in every way .

    I have WAAAAY more radios than that , but these are just the ones currently in service.
    I have an Alinco Dx70 with a dipole strung up on my back porch (for now anyway)...Picked up a RigBlaster a while back to help with PSK...works great! Running that into a laptop... (also used for packet) have a Yaesu ft1500 in the car and usually carry around an alinco DJG5 u/v ht.

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    General class license and work with ARES/RACES at the state level.

    I am a retired military LEO and currently work as a Security Specialist (technical and physical) with a large corporation. I do have many antenna's on my car and my local police department knows who I am and what I do. Working with Emergency Management on some projects also helps indentify me. Most Milwuakee Co. Police departments know who I am or recognize my name. I guess you can say I have an advantage.

    The Search and Rescue group I belong too also have a few members who are hams and come from a variety of professions. Ham radio has two faces; as a hobby and as a public service entity. It all depends what you make of it.



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