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Mandatory minimum ensnares law-abiding legally armed Marine Ryan Jerome

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/16/mandatory-minimum-ensnares-law-abiding-marine/
Julie Stewart said:
The latest example of this is playing out in New York City. According to a news report, Ryan Jerome, a 28-year-old former Marine Corps gunner, went to the Big Apple last September with the hope of selling $15,000 worth of jewelry. Mr. Jerome carried a gun to protect his valuable stash. After reading some inaccurate information on the Internet, he mistakenly believed that he could carry the firearm in New York because he was licensed to carry one in his home state of Indiana. [ ... ]The latest example of this is playing out in New York City. According to a news report, Ryan Jerome, a 28-year-old former Marine Corps gunner, went to the Big Apple last September with the hope of selling $15,000 worth of jewelry. Mr. Jerome carried a gun to protect his valuable stash. After reading some inaccurate information on the Internet, he mistakenly believed that he could carry the firearm in New York because he was licensed to carry one in his home state of Indiana.
If a felon can be properly disbarred his rights under color of law then we may all be legally disarmed merely by sufficiently lowering the bar of felony.
 

Phoenix David

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Unfortunately he relied on faulty data, that could be a mitigating factor in the case, but he did break the law, though inadvertently.

Always use a reliable source for information about the laws in a particular area.
 

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Always use a reliable source for information about the laws in a particular area.

That is one of the main problems besides New York being New York. We have so many laws on the books about you can carry here but not here or only during this time of year but not this time. The 2nd needs to be reaffirmed and places like NY and DC get told where to shove it when trying to restrict law abiding citizens.
 

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Unfortunately for all of these people, even if New Yorkers are educated enough to know what it is, it's NYC so any jury there probably won't give them jurry nullification.
 

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You do know the meaning of that term, don't you? You are suggesting that he intended to commit the crime?

stay safe.

Quite the opposite.

Under common law, mens rea is required for a conviction.

It has been tossed to the side as irrelevant.

Hell, even the bible references it..in terms of accidentally killing someone...
 

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I wonder if it would work for other States to refuse to recognize convictions under NY's evil anti-self-defense laws.

New York refuses to recognize out-of-state permits, no?

So, Virginia just refuses to acknowledge the conviction, and invites the former Marine to move here.


Hmmmmmm. I wonder.
 

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Mens Rea.

So when US AG Holder says he wasn't lying about his knowledge of Fast and Furious claiming that it's only a lie 'if you meant to' (mens rea) what he saying is that mindset really does matter. And now the 'Chief Law Enforcement Officer' of the US is on record that mens rea is back in play...

Carry on
 
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