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    Police Working on Technology to Detect Concealed Guns

    FYI. Coming to a street near you, airport body scanner and the like technology.


    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...oncealed-guns/

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    For years, detectives trying to distinguish gun-carrying New Yorkers from others have had to rely on observations, street smarts and luck. A man with a gun on his hip might grab the front of his sport coat to keep it from flapping open and revealing the pistol. Someone getting out of a cab might hold tight to his side, to keep a weapon secure.

    But science is now promising to assist such human efforts.

    In a speech on Tuesday morning to the New York City Police Foundation, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said the department was working with the Defense Department to develop gun-scan technology “capable of detecting concealed firearms.”

    The tool would operate as a sort of reverse infrared mapping tool by reading the energy people emit and pinpointing where that flow is blocked by some object, like a gun.

    “If something is obstructing the flow of that radiation — for example, a weapon — the device will highlight that object,” Mr. Kelly said in his annual speech about the state of the Police Department. “This technology has shown a great deal of promise as a way of detecting weapons without a physical search.”

    Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said that while the group yearned for solutions to gun violence, the proposal was worrisome. “We have no idea how this technology works, if it is effective, and what its error rate is,” she said. “If the N.Y.P.D. is moving forward with this, the public needs more information about this technology, how it works and the dangers it presents.”

    The technology is still being tested at the police shooting range at Rodman’s Neck, said Paul J. Browne, the department’s chief spokesman. One issue is extending the range for identifying those with concealed arms. While it has been effective at distances of three to five meters, Mr. Browne said, “we’re looking for it to be effective up to 25 meters,” or around 82 feet.

    That would be a help to the police, who otherwise must rely on observation. Jack Maple, a former deputy police commissioner, wrote in his book, “The Crime Fighter: Putting the Bad Guys Out of Business”: “I’d stand in front of a full-length mirror and study the way a gun looked under a jacket, over the shoulder, inside the waistband — anywhere on the body it could be hidden. On the job, I’d stop two or three people a day who were carrying concealed weapons.”

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    I'll state the same thing here that I mentioned on FB when I first read about this. If this becomes wide spread in NYC to use this on "random" people, I will get a thick "right angle" tool in my jacket, and purposefully find these cops with these scanners. We'll see how quickly they violate my rights.

    Now, if they use this ONLY in the course of an arrest in progress I am fine with it. They can identify objects on the person before approaching to cuff and make things safer for themselves. But otherwise,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baked on Grease View Post
    I'll state the same thing here that I mentioned on FB when I first read about this. If this becomes wide spread in NYC to use this on "random" people, I will get a thick "right angle" tool in my jacket, and purposefully find these cops with these scanners. We'll see how quickly they violate my rights.

    Now, if they use this ONLY in the course of an arrest in progress I am fine with it. They can identify objects on the person before approaching to cuff and make things safer for themselves. But otherwise,

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    Well the problem with technology used today is it lacks integrity by the users. The police are researching it now. Do you think the police will only use it at a stop? The temptation (read lack of integrity) will be too much and they will use it for everything.

    Eventually when it is implemented it could be developed to be on every street corner, in every cop car and even as a hand held. Just like in the UK there is a camera on every corner. It is just a matter of time before every person in a public place will be scanned on the visible and infrared wavelengths including facial recognition in the interest of public safety or should I say 'officer safety'. A year ago's news about your x-rayed picture going through airport security being able to have your naked visible picture will be old news.

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    If they REALLY want to deter gun-related crime in NYC, they should go to Shall-Issue for their carry permits and legalize OC. It would cost a LOT less than these stupid, unconstitutional scanner systems, would actually WORK as a deterrent, and would save the taxpayers of NYC BILLIONS of dollars.

    But that would actually make sense, would remove the enforced victim-hood of the populace, and would not rob the middle class of more of their hard-earned money to fatten the coffers of Bloomberg's mercenaries that call themselves NYPD...

    Let NYC rot, I say. If the people there put up with this sort of egregious tyranny, then they get what they deserve. As long as the People of NYC keep electing thugs and sociopaths like Bloomberg, they will continue to sign away their rights and their very humanity.

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    A man with a gun on his hip might grab the front of his sport coat to keep it from flapping open and revealing the pistol. Someone getting out of a cab might hold tight to his side, to keep a weapon secure.
    In central Ohio the same kind of things might happen, and we'd find ourselves forced to say "Hey, nice day out" to the police that passed by and nodded to us. Sometimes they might even ask us what kind of gun we have, and we'd compare notes on which one we preferred out on the range. This is even more true when we open carry, which outside of Canton and Cleveland is...normal everyday hum drum stuff.

    I can't imagine ever stepping foot in NY at all any longer, neither the city nor the state. I've come to the conclusion these last few years that I will not willingly give anything to any police state "state" again, ever. So, NY, IL, Hawaii (HA?) and CA are out of luck with my tourist dollars. Things like this article will keep it this way as well. I have no patience to suffer fools and their self imposed lunacy. I know there are plenty of good people that live in those places, and I strongly urge them to move to areas of the nation where they will be welcomed back into the community of liberty and find themselves treated with dignity as free men and not as subjects.
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