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    Thumbs up Antony at it again!

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cali...long-guns.html

    The plan is working, we will have shall issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomOC View Post
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cali...long-guns.html

    The plan is working, we will have shall issue!
    Hopefully we will have a SCOTUS decision that confirms BEARING arms as a fundamental right.
    I woul absolutely love to be able to CARRY without having to spend $261.00 (class and license) as the founding fathers intended.

    And just in case you missed it, this is OPENCARRY.ORG, not SHALLISSUECONCEALEDCARRY.ORG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoligny View Post
    And just in case you missed it, this is OPENCARRY.ORG, not SHALLISSUECONCEALEDCARRY.ORG
    And in most of California both Open Carry and Concealed Carry are impossible tasks.

    Open carry is now illegal, maybe, unless you fall under one of the one hundred sixteen exemptions.

    Concealed carry is effectively illegal since most jurisdictions make it virtually impossible to obtain any form of license or permit to carry concealed.

    OC and CC are related, very closely, especially in California.

    Any attack on the status quo concerns all Californians.

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    Well, that didnt take long. It's not even a month into enactment of 26350, and the suggestion to expand the prohibition of exposed firearms to include long guns is already being considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    And in most of California both Open Carry and Concealed Carry are impossible tasks.

    Open carry is now illegal, maybe, unless you fall under one of the one hundred sixteen exemptions.

    Concealed carry is effectively illegal since most jurisdictions make it virtually impossible to obtain any form of license or permit to carry concealed.

    OC and CC are related, very closely, especially in California.

    Any attack on the status quo concerns all Californians.
    I agree, it is an attack. My statement was to inform Mr 3 posts that it is not the intention of most open carriers to force "shall issue" concealed carry. The focus of this forum is the expansion of OPEN CARRY.
    California is losing the right to OC. A Shall Issue CCW priveledge is not an acceptable substitute to the constitutional carry of an openly carried firearm. SCOTUS has ruled that regulation of CCW is constitutionally acceptable. To regulate a right makes it a priveledge. Open Carry is therefore the logical constitutionally protected method of carry. It will take lawsuits to change CA's current stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donny View Post
    That's a riot. This will certainly please the non-gun nut California firearms owners I know who wrote their legislators asking for it after seeing long gun carry in the news and viewing it as a detrimental act committed by a whacked out minority. Nice job pizzing off the mainstream. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
    You know, a lot can be said about a man by the company he keeps.

    Looks like we can tell you are a total weenie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donny View Post
    Lmfao. We may be weenies but your OCing days are over aren't they? You lose...
    Brady Bunch or Fudd?

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    I think they need to ban Mr P from appearing in public, especially in eye makeup. He's quite the eyesore and could reduce tourism dollars all by himself.

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    Please ignore Donny.

    If you review his posts on this board, you will easily see that he is here to do nothing more than TROLL.

    He is vehemently anti-Open Carry, and adds nothing to the discussion.

    If this board had active moderators like CalGuns, he would have been banned long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoligny View Post
    Please ignore Donny.

    If you review his posts on this board, you will easily see that he is here to do nothing more than TROLL.

    He is vehemently anti-Open Carry, and adds nothing to the discussion.

    If this board had active moderators like CalGuns, he would have been banned long ago.
    +1. Trolls crave attention, just ignore him and he'll go away again.

    While ideally this could lead to shall issue, it could also result in a more restrictive state such as Maryland. Remain vigilant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    Concealed carry is effectively illegal since most jurisdictions make it virtually impossible to obtain any form of license or permit to carry concealed.
    This isn't quite correct. Most jurisdictions in CA actually do issue licenses to carry. The problem is that the jurisdictions which don't compose well over 50% of California's population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoligny View Post
    Please ignore Donny.

    If you review his posts on this board, you will easily see that he is here to do nothing more than TROLL.

    He is vehemently anti-Open Carry, and adds nothing to the discussion.

    If this board had active moderators like CalGuns, he would have been banned long ago.
    Why would Calguns ban him? He totes their party line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    This isn't quite correct. Most jurisdictions in CA actually do issue licenses to carry. The problem is that the jurisdictions which don't compose well over 50% of California's population.
    I still see no point in seeking a permit to carry when its cost is over 200 dollars, and then renewal fees. That puts it out of reach for the average person who is still struggling to just make it day to day who then has to worry because he might not be able to defend his family because the government says pay me 200 dollars or live with the consequences. It's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCrawford View Post
    Why would Calguns ban him? He totes their party line.

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    Reading comprehension is a learned art.

    I said, If we had active moderators (in the way that CalGuns has active moderators), then the active OpenCarry.org moderators would have banned Donny long ago.

    There was no mention in my post about CalGuns banning Donny.

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    Of a more relevant note; Were any of you aware that in addition to including long guns, that Mr. Portantino was also adding UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY to the places where one may not carry a firearm unless exempted? And furthermore CHANGES the Mulford Act definition of areas where one may not possess a LOADED firearm?

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...ntroduced.html

    The bill would also authorize a county
    board of supervisors to enact an ordinance that regulates the
    carrying of unloaded firearms that are not handguns in unincorporated
    areas of the county where the county has prohibited the discharge of
    firearms, as specified.
    25841. (a) A board of supervisors may enact an ordinance that
    regulates the carrying of unloaded firearms that are not handguns
    outside of a vehicle in the unincorporated area of a county where
    the county has prohibited the discharge of firearms, if the ordinance
    includes all of the exemptions set forth in the provisions of Article
    2 (commencing with Section 26405) of Chapter 7 of Division 5
    of Title 4 of Part 6 of the Penal Code, and the penalty provisions
    are established pursuant to Section 25132.
    25850. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm
    when the person
    carries a loaded firearm on the person or in a
    vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an
    incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in
    a prohibited area of unincorporated territory. does any of the
    following:
    (1) Carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle
    in any public place or on any public street, public road, or public
    highway in an incorporated city.
    (2) Carries a loaded firearm on his or her person in any public
    place or on any public street in a prohibited area of an
    unincorporated territory.
    (3) Carries a loaded firearm in a vehicle while in any public
    place or on any public street, public road, or public highway in
    any part of any unincorporated area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Of a more relevant note; Were any of you aware that in addition to including long guns, that Mr. Portantino was also adding UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY to the places where one may not carry a firearm unless exempted? And furthermore CHANGES the Mulford Act definition of areas where one may not possess a LOADED firearm?

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...ntroduced.html
    Yes, the addition to the unlawfully loaded firearms section adds unincorporated roads - it was an area before where there was much debated about whether or not it is already illegal via 'prohibited area' language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    This isn't quite correct. Most jurisdictions in CA actually do issue licenses to carry. The problem is that the jurisdictions which don't compose well over 50% of California's population.
    Quick question. Could one expect to be denied or granted a CCW permit if they lived in the Beale AFB area (it's NE of Sacramento out in the middle of the desert). I might end up moving there and am curious what the chances are of getting a permit (though I would obviously prefer to not need one).

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    Aknazer

    that would be Yuba, Marrysville area. That county is very easy to get a CCW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aknazer View Post
    Quick question. Could one expect to be denied or granted a CCW permit if they lived in the Beale AFB area (it's NE of Sacramento out in the middle of the desert). I might end up moving there and am curious what the chances are of getting a permit (though I would obviously prefer to not need one).
    Beale itself is in (I think) Yuba County. You need to know more about the specifics of what county you will be living in as that area is composed of several counties.

    This map might be out of date, but at least its a starting point for you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Of a more relevant note; Were any of you aware that in addition to including long guns, that Mr. Portantino was also adding UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY to the places where one may not carry a firearm unless exempted? And furthermore CHANGES the Mulford Act definition of areas where one may not possess a LOADED firearm?

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...ntroduced.html
    He seeks to also make the carry of an exposed unloaded handgun in or on a vehicle illegal in ANY unincorporated area..... so I would have to unload and place my handgun into a secure/locked container prior to setting it in my pick up truck??

    (2) A person is guilty of openly carrying an unloaded handgun
    when that person carries an exposed and unloaded handgun inside
    or on a vehicle, whether or not on his or her person, while in or
    on any of the following:
    (A) A public place or, public street, public road, or public
    highway in an incorporated city or city and county.
    (B) A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated
    area of a county or city and county.
    (C) A public place in a prohibited area of a county or city and
    county.
    (D) Any public place or on any public street, public road, or
    public highway in any part of an unincorporated area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    And in most of California both Open Carry and Concealed Carry are impossible tasks.
    Not in most of California - open carry of both loaded and unloaded firearms, long and short, remains legal in unincorporated terretories where the county has not bannned all discharge - on foot and in vehicles, no permit required.

    Of course, most people actually live and work in incorporated areas

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    I dont remember where I heard it, but I was told that a California CCW is only good in the county that it was issued. So basically a CCW in California is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycerx96 View Post
    i dont remember where i heard it, but i was told that a california ccw is only good in the county that it was issued. So basically a ccw in california is useless.
    false

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    false or not, this is california and it wouldnt surprise me if it was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaycerX96 View Post
    I dont remember where I heard it, but I was told that a California CCW is only good in the county that it was issued. So basically a CCW in California is useless.
    Quote Originally Posted by RaycerX96 View Post
    false or not, this is california and it wouldnt surprise me if it was true.
    You might have heard it as a part of someone's mistinterpretation of the law regarding licenses to carry. Particularly, there are two forms the license made available in the statute. The first, is for concealed carry, which is valid statewide. The second, is for loaded and exposed carry. This second form is only valid in the county of issuance.

    Because California is already confusing and frustrating, it is all the more important that we only pass on information that we know to be accurate, rather than perpetuate FUD.
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