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    Asset forfeitures: "bill changes forfeiture requirements with respect to firearms."

    Should we be concerned with HB 348 and with SB 325?

    It seems to be an improvement.

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    Assett forfeiture as a legal device is considered evil by any person who values freedom and liberty.

    So evil, in fact, that is was one of the PRIMARY reasons we fought the Revolutionary War against England.

    The State stealing the property of people who they THINK may have been involved in something dicey, BEFORE trial, or even charges are laid, and then making the accused SUE the State to get their property back even if they are cleared of all charges (that is how the Federal Asset Forfeiture program case law is set out!!!) is nothing more than tyrannical thuggery wearing a fancy suit.

    We were so insulted and agrieved by asset forfeiture that we fought a "hot war" over it against the LARGEST military power on the planet in the 1770s.

    And now our own government is telling us that this is a "necessary law enforcement technique" and that it is "for the good of the people"...

    Yeah, Just which people would that be? The Prison-Industrial complex? The corrupt LEAs who steal money, vehicles, and property from law-abiding citizens just because they want it in their own coffers? The militarized LEAs who use their ill-gotten seized assets to further build up their arsenals of oppression against the Citizens of this once-fine nation?

    Yeah, we know EXACTLY what kind of people asset forfeiture programs help--the very people who are ruining this nation--the sociopaths who are hiding behind badges, fancy suits and big desks in State Houses.

    ANY law that moves to restrict or abolish Asset Forfeiture in any way is good in my view. Asset Forfeiture is a crime against Liberty, and a direct attack on Capitalism and the accumulation of wealth of the middle class, and needs to be ABOLISHED wholesale as a legal tactic.

    And I should know--I helped publish the "book" on it for BJA (BJA Asset Forfeiture Series, a set of nearly a dozen booklets outlining how LEAs can use case law to legally steal all sorts of real property and monies from people without even charging them with a crime...) when I was much younger, and working as a contractor--before I came to my senses and got out of that business...
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    Y'no Dreamer, a lotta people have given you crap on this board from time to time but this is beautiful:


    Asset Forfeiture is a crime against Liberty, and a direct attack on Capitalism and the accumulation of wealth of the middle class, and needs to be ABOLISHED wholesale as a legal tactic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrat10k View Post
    Y'no Dreamer, a lotta people have given you crap on this board from time to time but this is beautiful:


    Asset Forfeiture is a crime against Liberty, and a direct attack on Capitalism and the accumulation of wealth of the middle class, and needs to be ABOLISHED wholesale as a legal tactic.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrat10k View Post
    Y'no Dreamer, a lotta people have given you crap on this board from time to time but this is beautiful:

    Asset Forfeiture is a crime against Liberty, and a direct attack on Capitalism and the accumulation of wealth of the middle class, and needs to be ABOLISHED wholesale as a legal tactic.
    I'm actually pretty regularly in complete agreement with him.

    He needs to move back to NC. We're going to need him down here after the next election cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    I'm actually pretty regularly in complete agreement with him.

    He needs to move back to NC. We're going to need him down here after the next election cycle.

    Thanks for the kind thoughts, but I have family up here that is VERY important, and a LOT of work to do on 2A issues in MD. I'm deep inside "enemy territory" and having joined the battle, I'm committed for the long haul.

    I'll be back for visits--I have a lot of friends and some family in NC that I will be visiting...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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