Polynikes
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Where am I prohibited to carry concealed?
Statute 18-12-214
2) Anywhere prohibited by federal law.
3 ) …real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school.
4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:
(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;
(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and
(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.
(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private
Can local government prohibit weapons in public facilities?
Yes, Statute 18-12-214 / 29-11.7-104
If there is a “no display of firearms sign” on a business or public building, can I still carry concealed?
Yes, Unless other prohibitions apply.
•Concealed weapons that are not legally licensed and open display of weapons are prohibited (Open Display of Weapons Policy and Colo. Rev. Stat. 18-12-105).
El Paso County Sheriff's FAQ seems to be in conflict, or I'm just not reading it right.
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I'm assuming that technically a "No Display of Firearms" sign is considered different than a plain old "No Firearms" sign.
It wouldn't have occurred to me that I couldn't carry in a public library, but all the local branches are posted here.
Yes, there is a difference. A "No Display" sign, means no open carry. A "No Firearms" sign, means none at all.
In this case, the library is recognizing that they cannot regulate Concealed, but they do have say over Open.
If posted in this manner, 'liscensed' CC is fine. OC not so much.
Same signage exists on the doors of Salida Library.
I believe that actual signage on the PPLD branches states that no CC or OC of weapons is permitted, omitting the legally licensed exception that is contained in the actual rules on the website. What about that ability of local government to prohibit weapons in public facilities? Does this apply in this case, since the sign on the door seems to say one thing, but the online Code of Conduct for the library says another.
The library's "code of conduct" does not overrule state law, which provides the few instances in which the lawful carry of a firearm may be prohibited in city buildings.
Polynikes, you quoted it as: "Concealed weapons that are not legally licensed and open display of weapons are prohibited (Open Display of Weapons Policy and Colo. Rev. Stat. 18-12-105)."
Colorado's public libraries do NOT have the authority to ban CC on their premises. It does not appear they're trying to ban lawful CC. It does appear as if they're reading only 105, to the exclusion of the rest, and wrongly thinking that OC is somehow illegal.
Perhaps we need to write letters to the librarians explaining the errors of their ways...
Polynikes said:Goes on to say that...
Furthermore...Can local government prohibit weapons in public facilities?
Yes, Statute 18-12-214 / 29-11.7-104
I don't like to open old threads, but this pertains to my search ultimately leading me here. I comprehend this as the PPLD policy bans CC for those whom do not have a permit to carry concealed, which is illegal, and banning OC. I do have a CC permit, so I can carry within the PPLD District. Thank you OC.org.
I've just been researching this site and I find it very helpful.
While their rules are designed to create a more enjoyable experience for their patrons, the problem is that creating "gun-free zones" dramatically increases the likelihood that establishment will be targeted by a lunatic, thereby putting their patrons in danger.
Though I do disagree with this rule, it's hardly creating a "gun free zone."
Concealed carry is a lot more common than open carry; they've closed off (unconstitutionally to be sure) the less popular practice but it's quite likely there's a lawfully carried gun or two on premises if the library is at all busy. Certainly if I am there, there will be.
On the other hand I personally know people who didn't realize they could still carry in the library; they didn't see the "out" that the phrasing of the sign gives them.
And that is the purpose of this wording.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2014/08/28/guns-in-library/14736991/I think that when these recent gun laws get repealed they should go after the law that allows governments to regulate OC with signage. It is a direct violation of both constitutions.
Chance of it happening?