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    Rental application asking for Concealed Permit info

    Just moved to the area and was submiting a application for a rental place. One of the questions was do I have a concealed weapons permit. Thought that was a strange question and wondered about the legality. Never seen that before and wonder why they would ask that (And how to handle it). It was on a application form from a company that does background checks for private rental properties. What does the peanut gallery say about this?

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    Did you place your hand on a bible and swear?
    If not, then as far as I know you have as much legal obligation to tell them the truth as a cop does when he's talking to the citizenry.
    If it's none of their business, give whatever answer you think is appropriate.

    *Let me hasten to add that I have no idea if a rental agreement is any sort of legal document in your state in regards to the truthfulness of any statement.*
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    Sounds like a "Catch 22" situation to me. If you answer truthfully and the answer is "yes", they may refuse to rent to you. If you do not answer at all, they may refuse to rent to you. If you lie and say "no" and they find out you lied, you would probably be faced with eviction.

    Question is, "How bad do you want to rent an apartment from these people?"

    I put this in the same category as forms from the doctor's office asking if I have firearms in my home. I won't answer yea or nay.

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    The answer is: n/a

    The question is not applicable to you because you prefer not to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    The answer is: n/a

    The question is not applicable to you because you prefer not to answer.
    +1

    N/A or just leave it blank.

    My old doctors office had a question on their questionnaire that was "Do you own any handguns?" I just left it blank... After asking them, it gives them info on your "risk taking behavior." I was also asked the same question during a physical. I told him that is none of your business if I do or do not own any firearms. Never went back after that.

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    Run a line through the question and put N/A.

    Remember, on a rental contract, you do not have to agree to amything on it. If you don't like something, line it out (single line, best done with a ruler) initial and date, then have the other party initial and date it. Do same to his copy, BEFORE anything is signed.

    REMEMBER!!!!n It is a rental AGREEMENT...you don't agree, line it out. If the other party won't initial the lineout, go somewhere else. There are hundreds (thousands?) of apartments empty and for rent these days, it is truely a renters market.

    I just thought of something though...you have to be a reasonably responsible to have a permit. Yes, it probably (but not necessarily) means you own a firearm, and that may or may not be good, but the question was not do you own firearms, the question was: "do you have a CPL"?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Run a line through the question and put N/A.

    Remember, on a rental contract, you do not have to agree to amything on it. If you don't like something, line it out (single line, best done with a ruler) initial and date, then have the other party initial and date it. Do same to his copy, BEFORE anything is signed.

    REMEMBER!!!!n It is a rental AGREEMENT...you don't agree, line it out. If the other party won't initial the lineout, go somewhere else. There are hundreds (thousands?) of apartments empty and for rent these days, it is truely a renters market.

    I just thought of something though...you have to be a reasonably responsible to have a permit. Yes, it probably (but not necessarily) means you own a firearm, and that may or may not be good, but the question was not do you own firearms, the question was: "do you have a CPL"?????
    Wouldn't that just draw attention to the fact that you're not answering the question? Why go through all that when you can simply write n/a on the line? Then the manager is happy and you can get the apartment. If you start unilaterally lining out items in the contract the likely result will be that they'll politely ask you to leave.

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    rental agency being cheap? If you truly have a CPL you had to pass background check including felonies etc. Of course they still need to do a credit check .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaeus View Post
    Of course they still need to do a credit check .
    Cite? I have gotten apartments to forgo the credit check, which makes me believe its optional.
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    No cite, poor word choice, but I would be pleasantly surprised if they skipped doing the the credit check, they may ignore it but I doubt they just skip it for any but private rentors.
    Last edited by Vitaeus; 01-27-2012 at 05:00 PM. Reason: added some words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaeus View Post
    No cite, poor word choice, but I would be pleasantly surprised if they skipped doing the the credit check, they may ignore it but I doubt they just skip it for any but private rentors.
    I figured that was the case.

    Its kind of hard to run a credit check without SSN. I opt to pay more deposit rather than have them run my credit, most don't have a problem with that. I even have stayed at a larger apartment complex that did it. Sometimes, it takes some smooching and sometimes they just won't rent without it just depends.
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    Hey wait a minute. Do you have a concealed weapons permit, or a concealed pistol license?

    If the contract asks about a concealed weapons permit, and you don't have one, you can truthfully answer no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    The answer is: n/a

    The question is not applicable to you because you prefer not to answer.
    I prefer the answer I/Q

    Inappropriate Question

    Or if you really want to be confrontational NOUFB

    I'm sure y'all can figure that one on your own

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadHatter66 View Post
    it gives them info on your "risk taking behavior."
    Depending on how you define risk, any answer to that question could be viewed as high risk behavior. The anti-gunners would argue gun owners are high risk, while most gun owners would counter that not being armed puts you at greater risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    Hey wait a minute. Do you have a concealed weapons permit, or a concealed pistol license?

    If the contract asks about a concealed weapons permit, and you don't have one, you can truthfully answer no.
    Depends. Is a pistol a weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Depends. Is a pistol a weapon?
    What is the relevance? If the question asks if he has a CWP and Washington doesn't issue a CWP, he can truthfully answer no (unless he has an out-of-state CWP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    I prefer the answer I/Q

    Inappropriate Question
    Uh, what? That's also what the manager is going to ask. If he wants the apartment he will need to at least appear to be answering the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    Uh, what? That's also what the manager is going to ask. If he wants the apartment he will need to at least appear to be answering the question.
    And I would have no problem answering him, same as a doctor asking if I own firearms.

    Admittedly, N/A would likely be interpreted as a No to most, and probably be considered less confrontational. But....I don't mind telling people..."Thats none of your business, next question."

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    Just thinking out loud here, but if they denied you the right to rent based upon the CPL question, is that a violation of your 2A rights? Yes, yes, I know it is a private company, etc. but they are also governed by laws that prevent them from discriminating based on other issues.

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    Google the Wa State Landlord tenant Act

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    First I have heard any apartments asking if you have a CPL. There is a couple of ways to see this, first with having a CPL they know you have lived your life as a law abiding citizen which is a good thing. On the other hand, they will be unable to verify if you have one or not and you are not required to show them by law.
    I would asked them about their question and see where the discussion goes from there and then make your choice to apply or not.

    When I lived in Tacoma for a couple of years we had a change of owners and managers and posted it as being a gun free zone, I just told them that it was not that way when I moved it and I will continue to carry. When my lease expired I moved to a better place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    Google the Wa State Landlord tenant Act
    RCW 59.18 Residential Landlord-Tenant Act.

    RCW 59.20 Manufactured/Mobile Home Landlord-Tenant Act.

    Unless it is spelled out that no weapons are allowed then there should be no issue and while live in a target enriched area?
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    Maybe the apartment is in a High Crime area and they want as many of their residents as possible to be armed----Legally A CPL is not a requirement to carry legally but those who can't get one can't legally carry a firearm anyway.
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    Thanks everyone for the great responses. I choose to go ahead and answer the question. I have nothing to hide and if they can't accept me being a law obiding citizen enjoying my 2nd ammendment rights then I can move on. I am new to Washington, I hold a CPL from Florida and Colorado, and I am a firearms instructor. It's a private owner of a home I am renting and I was approved same day.

    I appreciate the discussion as I had never been asked that question before and really was at a loss for what to do. In my experiance it is not a renters market right now. Few people can afford to buy so rental properties are being snached up within a day of going up for rental. Might be due to the closesness of the 1st of the month. But I beat out two other applicants so it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by av8tr1 View Post
    It's a private owner of a home I am renting and I was approved same day.
    Would you be willing to give some more information, in PM if you would prefer, on the area in which you are renting this home and how much per month you are paying, size of property and the like. I currently am renting out a house of mine and if you are in the same area, or close to it I'd like to get some first hand knowledge about the rental market (as I keep getting such wide ranging figures from property management companies that I'm not sure what to believe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfebane View Post
    Would you be willing to give some more information, in PM if you would prefer, on the area in which you are renting this home and how much per month you are paying, size of property and the like. I currently am renting out a house of mine and if you are in the same area, or close to it I'd like to get some first hand knowledge about the rental market (as I keep getting such wide ranging figures from property management companies that I'm not sure what to believe).
    Sure, I got the same thing as well so I know the feeling. PM on the way.

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