Can a cop really do this?

MyWifeSaidYes · Apr 28, 2012

Why don't policemen get along with firemen?

Because firemen have longer hoses.

http://www.policemanvsfireman.com/

Jack House · Apr 28, 2012

In a true SHTF situation? Hell no. He ain't gettin my car. Any other time? I dunno.

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Freedom1Man · Apr 29, 2012

Jack House said:
In a true SHTF situation? Hell no. He ain't gettin my car. Any other time? I dunno.

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Another time? Hell no. Not without some big pay out in the end.

The guy going 100 MPH on the freeway is less of a danger than idiots who can't signal before lane changes, leave signals on for miles and miles, those who are too small to see over the dash of their cars, etc.

If they are chasing a stolen car then they need to find those who have stolen all the other cars. The cops cause more damage in their pursuit of a stolen car then the guy/gal who stole the car will ever do on average.

If they asked me to help them engage in a chase with the guaranty of immunity and cash for doing it then I might do it.

sharkey · Jul 10, 2012

This is the closest I could find in AZ law. Yeah, it's a stretch maybe. It's not just for cops though.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/00417.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-417. Necessity defense

A. Conduct that would otherwise constitute an offense is justified if a reasonable person was compelled to engage in the proscribed conduct and the person had no reasonable alternative to avoid imminent public or private injury greater than the injury that might reasonably result from the person's own conduct.

B. An accused person may not assert the defense under subsection A if the person intentionally, knowingly or recklessly placed himself in the situation in which it was probable that the person would have to engage in the proscribed conduct.

C. An accused person may not assert the defense under subsection A for offenses involving homicide or serious physical injury.

and
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/00402.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-402. Justification; execution of public duty

A. Unless inconsistent with the other sections of this chapter defining justifiable use of physical force or deadly physical force or with some other superseding provision of law, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable when it is required or authorized by law.

B. The justification afforded by subsection A also applies if:

1. A reasonable person would believe such conduct is required or authorized by the judgment or direction of a competent court or tribunal or in the lawful execution of legal process, notwithstanding lack of jurisdiction of the court or defect in the legal process; or

2. A reasonable person would believe such conduct is required or authorized to assist a peace officer in the performance of such officer's duties, notwithstanding that the officer exceeded the officer's legal authority.

Also, the police here can draft you if I read this right.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03802.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-3802. Right to command aid for execution of process; punishment for resisting process

A. When a sheriff or other public officer authorized to execute process finds, or has reason to believe that resistance will be made to execution of the process, such officer may command as many inhabitants of the county as the officer deems proper to assist in overcoming such resistance.

B. The officer shall certify to the court from which the process issued the names of those persons resisting, and they may be proceeded against for contempt of court.

Grizz272 · Jul 11, 2012

Came offthe freeway years ago to a snow drift across the road. I was first in line a County Sheriff deputy was second and a 4x4 with a snowplow was third. The deputy ordered the 4x4 to move the drift and open the road. The driver was reluctant until the deputy quoted him statue and verse. The 4x4 open the road. The deputy put it this way, you do it or I will and if I break something it will be at least next month before the county pays for it.

jrob33 · Jul 12, 2012

in the original question you used the term "bugging out" and you listed vehicle and "stuff" "because you are prepared"...so Im assuming you mean my guns, food, water and medical supplies (at least a part of them) are in the vehicle..I will say this...I have collected those supplies in the event that I need them to keep me and mine alive, therefore in a true SHTF situation any attempt to take them is a direct threat to the life of me and my loved ones I will deal with that threat accordingly. I have collected firearms and ammo specifically to defend those supplies. I dont care what you are wearing or what authority you think you have this scenario comes down to them or me and mine.

END_THE_FED · Jul 12, 2012

3-3802. Right to command aid for execution of process; punishment for resisting process

A. When a sheriff or other public officer authorized to execute process finds, or has reason to believe that resistance will be made to execution of the process, such officer may command as many inhabitants of the county as the officer deems proper to assist in overcoming such resistance.

B. The officer shall certify to the court from which the process issued the names of those persons resisting, and they may be proceeded against for contempt of court.

Wouldn't this be a violation of the 13th amendment to the Constitution For The United States?

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction....."

VW_Factor · Jul 12, 2012

Freedom1Man said:
If I was the pool owner I would have been perfectly happy after they fixed the gate.

And all of the expensive filtering equipment after it ran dry (given that it was automatic and/or on at the time it ran dry).

Freedom1Man · Jul 18, 2012

VW_Factor said:
And all of the expensive filtering equipment after it ran dry (given that it was automatic and/or on at the time it ran dry).

Okay. I guess I would rather use a boundary effects layer type pump that would not be damaged if it ran dry. I forget that not all pools have automatic cutoffs and what not.

Logan 5 · Oct 15, 2012

Firedawg314 said:
Now, if we were to have a situation where mass outages, and or natural disaster…
What would you do, if you are bug’n out, and a cop (and you can probably tell), want to commandeer your vehicle and stuff because you are prepared and he/she is not.
Can you say “no”?

Can you say no? certainly. But how would you know the cop wants it because you are prepared? Odds are the cop has family. Odds are the cop is already prepared in some fashion.

Firedawg314 said:
Could you treat the cop like you would as a “robber/ looter”?

I would ask them why. "Why do you need MINE and not someone elses?" is another good question.

TechnoWeenie said:
I ran mutual aid to a call in a rural area with no supply (hydrant), tanker was minutes out.... 1000 gallon reserve tank on the engine was gone in a heartbeat..... The house was fully involved...... Neighbor had a pool, knocked on the door, no one answered....

We kicked down the gate, dropped a supply line into the pool, and prevented dwelling extension until tanker showed up, where we quickly extinguished the blaze.

The county DID pay for all the damages to the gate, refilled the pool, and even sodded the grass.... The guy was NOT happy, as I understood it, he was on vacation at the time.

His siding was melted (vinyl), and part of his roof was singed....... We explained to him that had we NOT dropped a line in his pool, and waited the few minutes for the tanker to arrive, his house would've been consumed as well... After that, he seemed to calm down a bit.....

I never dealt with the legal aspect, I was just a hose dragger. I let officers handle that crap.

He calmed down? Wow. Tell you what, in that particular scenario TW, all I would be concerned about is "is my neighbor ok?" and "is my home ok?". Pool water can be replaced. The grass can be regrown. You can't do that with a human life.
(I'm former volly ff)

MSG Laigaie · Oct 15, 2012

Let us look at some options.
1. The Individual who is attempting to take your vehicle is in a uniform(LEO).
2. The individual attempting to take your vehicle is in plain clothes (LEO or any other fool).

Would I allow #1 to take my vehicle? No. I do not give a rats azz what you are wearing, it is carjacking and you may very well get shot.

Would I allow #2 to take my vehicle? No. See above.

YoungGunz · Oct 15, 2012

MSG Laigaie said:
Let us look at some options.
1. The Individual who is attempting to take your vehicle is in a uniform(LEO).
2. The individual attempting to take your vehicle is in plain clothes (LEO or any other fool).

Would I allow #1 to take my vehicle? No. I do not give a rats azz what you are wearing, it is carjacking and you may very well get shot.

Would I allow #2 to take my vehicle? No. See above.

I think this more or less sums it up perfectly.

Preyn2 · Nov 28, 2012

Know how police officers and firefighters are alike?

They all want to be firefighters.

Logan 5 · Nov 29, 2012

Preyn2 said:
Know how police officers and firefighters are alike?

They all want to be firefighters.

LOL! Amen! :dude:

Grapeshot · Nov 29, 2012

Neither OC or RKBA related - moved it.

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

Logan 5 · Nov 29, 2012

Oh, but it is on topic, Grape! You see, firefighters open carry most of the time when on a call.

Well, ok. So what if it's a fire hose. Or an ax. Or a fire extinguisher. But come on! They're still carrying those "weapons"/tools in the open!
(havn't you ever learned how to use a fire extinguisher or fire hose as a weapon?)

Grapeshot · Nov 30, 2012

Logan 5 said:
Oh, but it is on topic, Grape! You see, firefighters open carry most of the time when on a call.

Well, ok. So what if it's a fire hose. Or an ax. Or a fire extinguisher. But come on! They're still carrying those "weapons"/tools in the open!
(havn't you ever learned how to use a fire extinguisher or fire hose as a weapon?)

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

OC for ME · Nov 30, 2012

Grapeshot said:
(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

Is this thread, and by extension Logan 5's posts, not in "The Lounge"....."The Social Lounge?"

Yes, I am serious.

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.

Clarification is requested for the benefit of all members.

MAC702 · Nov 30, 2012

He said he already moved it.

Grapeshot said:
Neither OC or RKBA related - moved it....

OC for ME · Nov 30, 2012

Grapeshot said:
(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

MAC702 said:
He said he already moved it.

Yes, I did read that in his post of Yesterday, 06:24 AM, Post #35. Yet Grapeshot reiterates Forum Rule (8) again today, at 02:38 AM, in Post #37, after this thread was moved to The Social Lounge.

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