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    Private Sale Bill

    Close call on SB379
    SB 379 Firearms transfers; penalties.

    Lucas was called away earlier in the day on an emergency so she couldn't even vote by proxy.

    If she had been there it would have passed out of Committee.

    Audio will be up later

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    when I get the audio listen to minute 25 to 35

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    i won't be able to listen 'til much later, so can i get the cliff's notes? ;-)

    what was the vote count? defeated outright? passed by indefinitely? something else?

    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    i won't be able to listen 'til much later, so can i get the cliff's notes? ;-)

    what was the vote count? defeated outright? passed by indefinitely? something else?

    thanks!
    7 to 7 and yes PBI.

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    dang. which rep crossed over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    dang. which rep crossed over?
    To be honest, I'm not sure. They haven't updated LOB yet and I haven't listened to the audio closely yet.

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    i had noticed this lis wasn't updated. that's why i was pressing for some details. ;-)

    thanks!

    ooops! just now updated.

    02/01/12 Senate: Passed by indefinitely in Courts of Justice (8-Y 6-N)
    YEAS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Vogel, Stanley, Reeves, Garrett--8.
    NAYS--Saslaw, Marsh, Howell, Edwards, Puller, McEachin--6.
    Last edited by mk4; 02-01-2012 at 06:56 PM. Reason: add'l info from lis
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    Not that you get any more from the video than just audio, here's the video of that bill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Not that you get any more from the video than just audio, here's the video of that bill.

    You get to see the stupid people's stupid faces so that you can stay away from them....

    And thanks, once again, for making these videos!
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    +1, thanks, Peter.

    i love seeing how Sen Norment runs the committee.
    his comment to the nra guy about being young and able to move to the podium faster cracked me up.

    on the other hand goddard and horowitz saying the same old same old makes me wanna lose my lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    +1, thanks, Peter.

    i love seeing how Sen Norment runs the committee.
    his comment to the nra guy about being young and able to move to the podium faster cracked me up.

    on the other hand goddard and horowitz saying the same old same old makes me wanna lose my lunch.
    Goddard has a point. It is unfair to discriminate against 60% of the market by requiring BG checks on those folks. Clearly, this imbalance needs to be adjusted such that no one is requred to submit to a BG check.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Here's the vote. It wasn't 7-7 it was 6-8...that's better but still close since Lucas was gone:

    SB 379 Firearms transfers; penalties.

    02/01/12 Senate: Passed by indefinitely in Courts of Justice (8-Y 6-N)

    YEAS--Norment, Obenshain, McDougle, Stuart, Vogel, Stanley, Reeves, Garrett--8.
    NAYS--Saslaw, Marsh, Howell, Edwards, Puller, McEachin--6.
    ABSTENTIONS--0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    Goddard has a point. It is unfair to discriminate against 60% of the market by requiring BG checks on those folks. Clearly, this imbalance needs to be adjusted such that no one is requred to submit to a BG check.
    Don't swell his head. He reads and probably posts here

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    looks like the 7-7 (failed to report) vote was for mceachin's other bill, sb648, which would essentially have closed the 'loophole' allowing an oc'er to consume alchohol in an establishment licensed to sell/serve. norment voted with the minority on this one.

    side note: which is more desirable, a 'failed to report' or a 'passed by indefinitely' outcome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    looks like the 7-7 (failed to report) vote was for mceachin's other bill, sb648, which would essentially have closed the 'loophole' allowing an oc'er to consume alchohol in an establishment licensed to sell/serve. norment voted with the minority on this one.

    side note: which is more desirable, a 'failed to report' or a 'passed by indefinitely' outcome?
    Either one will keep the bill from a floor vote.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post

    side note: which is more desirable, a 'failed to report' or a 'passed by indefinitely' outcome?
    6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Either way it's dead for the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Either way it's dead for the year.
    NRA Alert e-mail said this tonight:

    During their hearing the Senate Courts of Justice Committee also voted on Senate Bill 648, where it stalled on a 7 to 7 vote. While this legislation failed to be reported out of committee, it is also still not technically defeated for this session.
    How can it be "not technically defeated?" Are they saying that at 7-7, it could be voted on again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    NRA Alert e-mail said this tonight:


    How can it be "not technically defeated?" Are they saying that at 7-7, it could be voted on again?

    TFred
    It could be revived. I've seen it tried a few times but I can't recall it ever happening.Dockets are running full though and I just don't see how they could work it back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    It could be revived. I've seen it tried a few times but I can't recall it ever happening.
    Of course isn't this the same patron who tried to push a substitute motion to pass his bill, right in the middle of a motion to kill it? Gotta admire the chutzpa, if nothing else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Of course isn't this the same patron who tried to push a substitute motion to pass his bill, right in the middle of a motion to kill it? Gotta admire the chutzpa, if nothing else...

    TFred
    I guess


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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Of course isn't this the same patron who tried to push a substitute motion to pass his bill, right in the middle of a motion to kill it? Gotta admire the chutzpa, if nothing else...

    TFred
    I guess




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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I guess
    Well, it was rather ridiculous to try... it did give me a chuckle, I can't speak for those who were on the committee, or in the room waiting for them to be done.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    It could be revived. I've seen it tried a few times but I can't recall it ever happening.Dockets are running full though and I just don't see how they could work it back in.
    i think it was marsh i heard in the audio asking norment, after the vote, whether or not the bill was technically still in committee. what's the chance he pushes for reconsideration once lucas is back? then it comes down to where norment really stands and whether he'd entertain reconsideration and his vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    i think it was marsh i heard in the audio asking norment, after the vote, whether or not the bill was technically still in committee. what's the chance he pushes for reconsideration once lucas is back? then it comes down to where norment really stands and whether he'd entertain reconsideration and his vote.
    I'm not a political scholar but since this isn't a budget year, the assembly is 60 days. That means crossover day is about two weeks away.
    I just don't think it'll fit in the docket.

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    I just did a rough count and it looks like they have around 60 bills to do in three hearings.

    Crossover is the 14th this year I think.
    Last edited by peter nap; 02-01-2012 at 11:34 PM.

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