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    Doogies in Newington "cover up".....

    OK, was having dinner tonight at Doogies, like I do a few times a month.

    Went to pick up my order all was fine. A minute later, the counter person said the manager asks that I "cover up". I proceed to tell him that I will, but that no law was broken and open carry is indeed legal.

    The kid was actually quite interested. Asked a bunch of questions on the topic. I can tell the manager at the grill wasn't too happy to hear of his employee's love for his rights. So, long story short. He was rather surprised that it was indeed legal. Proceeded to tell me about an incident there in the past.

    It seems that at one time, they had a situation that mirrored Rich's situation in Wallingford. A Corrections Officer or Parole Officer (forgot which) seemed to see a firearm on a customer and called the cops and it seemed be an issue. That was all he told me. Sad that some citizens think calling 911 was the answer to a simple conversation.

    Bottom line:

    I didn't feel unwelcome, just wanted to cover up. I did, it is their establishment. I did have a great conversation with the employee and he wanted more information. I had some CCDL brochures so I gave him a few in case it give's them some further discussion material.

    All in all, I disagree with their stance. But they weren't unpleasant and there was no LEO interaction.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Are they posted?

    If they are not, they cannot reasonably expect people to 'guess' that they are anti-carry. There is a certain legal liability both parties end up in when a business is discriminating like this.

    Just my opinion, but a business that forbids my choice of carry means I no longer feel welcome.
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    KIX, it was nice they didn't make an issue out of OCing and have the cops involved.
    However I do agree with Rich to the extent that it does make one feel unwelcome in the future.

    I won't be going there anymore when I am in that area whether OC or CC.

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    They are losing their best feature anyway, the 2 footer, so it won't be worth going. Either way it sucks that businesses tend to take these actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTSurvivor View Post
    I won't be going there anymore when I am in that area whether OC or CC.
    Let me be devil's advocate and rabble rouser here... but they didn't tell you that you couldn't OC or to cover up. If they don't post, I encourage you to carry however you feel like carrying if you go there.

    You know how I would choose to carry...

    This is why their manager needs to have things explained to him. If he doesn't want carry in his place, fine. Put up a sign and ban it. Take the subsequent loss of business and calls and letters that come from it. Otherwise, leave law abiding citizens alone. Telling someone to 'cover up is rude' and is bad business.
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    I go there regularly, this is the first time this has happened. So, I figured I'd take the first "encounter" and make it an educational one.

    We'll see what happens in the future. I don't think anything is posted. I wasn't asked to leave, so, I'll leave it at that..... for the first time.

    Actually, I probably would've been far worse if I was asked to leave.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    I go there regularly, this is the first time this has happened. So, I figured I'd take the first "encounter" and make it an educational one.

    We'll see what happens in the future. I don't think anything is posted. I wasn't asked to leave, so, I'll leave it at that..... for the first time.

    Actually, I probably would've been far worse if I was asked to leave.

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    Nothing!

    I ALWAYS carry.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    Nothing!

    I ALWAYS carry.

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    Right. So it is just a matter of whether you and other people decide to do business with people who deem it acceptable to be crass and rude to a customer.

    I think a letter or phone call to the owner is called for so that they can explain whether this was just a rude manager and an isolated incident or if it is company policy to be rude to customers.
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    I didn't feel it was rude.

    I thought the opportunity to open one persons mind about the legality of open carry was a good option.

    At the time, I had to make a choice, I chose to educate the one employee that didn't know, but was genuinely interested.

    I still think I made the right choice.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    I still think I made the right choice.
    I agree.
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    Thumbs up

    open carry is in my blood guys. don't cover up your right its call freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    I still think I made the right choice.

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    So, what if you had brought your wife in and the manager had insisted she was ugly and you should cover her up. Would you have stayed, paid for your food?
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    Depends on how ugly my future wife is!

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    I don't allow people with guns on my property from people I don't know & especially all government workers (cops included!)(I don't even allow government employees on my land). I like to be the only one with guns on my property.

    Am I anti-gun? No. Quite the opposite....I don't even think that permits to carry should be required or that the permits can be required.

    Why do I keep other's guns off my land? I don't know who these folks are; I trust how I behave .. I don't have that trust with others I don't know.

    On public land ... 100% non-permitted carry anyway you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I don't allow people with guns on my property from people I don't know & especially all government workers (cops included!)(I don't even allow government employees on my land). I like to be the only one with guns on my property.
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    Just curious but how do the cops respond to you telling them to leave their gun it the car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTSurvivor View Post
    Just curious but how do the cops respond to you telling them to leave their gun it the car?
    They leave. If they don't like the rules on my land they cannot enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    They leave. If they don't like the rules on my land they cannot enter.

    davidmcMeth----I don't think there is anyone on this forum that would believe for minute that you make the rules regarding LEO's and how they enter onto your property. Please don't insult the intelligence of these fine folks on here.

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    Its a two way street. So you don't carry on other peoples property either? people should only carry on public property ? I could really care less about whether a pistol carrying govt agent or leo or ups driver or private citizen is on my property. As long as they are not there to hurt me. And I like to carry on everywhere I am legally allowed whether its public property or not

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    I think what he's tryin to say is he doesnt allow them when its his choice as a warrant or such would not be his choice thats irrevelent. I also think its absolutely hid choice to allow or disallow anyone on his property for whichever reason he sees fit. He owns it, his rules.
    I beleive his point was just that the property owner should be allowed to make the call although public property is fair game as its owned by the public no one person gets tomake the rules. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctclassic View Post
    davidmcMeth----I don't think there is anyone on this forum that would believe for minute that you make the rules regarding LEO's and how they enter onto your property. Please don't insult the intelligence of these fine folks on here.
    When I kicked out a LEO who was investigating a graffiti incident that occurred days before (he came to my door and I promptly escorted him off my land---he claimed he had the right to go where ever he wanted) after I booted him off I got a call from state police trying to explain their viewpoint. I told the state trooper that unless he has a warrant, I don't want police on my land (its my land!). The state trooper said he would be sending out a swat team (not kidding) & I suggested he be at the front of the line. They never showed. And I got a call back from my town's police chief (incident occurred on a satuday & I guess the state police act as a dispatching service on weekends) and he apologized but said that the officer was investigating a crime ; when I told him the crime occurred days before & there was no reason to demand entry onto my property he agreed.

    I now have a no trespass notice filed with the state & my local governments .. violation will lead to immediate arrest w/o further warning & resisting will result in the use of reasonable force.

    I make rules for ANYONE entering my property. Its MY LAND.

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    This is not an issue of property rights. This is an issue of a business being rude, bigoted and discriminatory to a customer.


    Lets not cloud the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobie16 View Post
    Its a two way street. So you don't carry on other peoples property either? people should only carry on public property ? I could really care less about whether a pistol carrying govt agent or leo or ups driver or private citizen is on my property. As long as they are not there to hurt me. And I like to carry on everywhere I am legally allowed whether its public property or not
    I respect people's land ownership rights. You should feel free to carry where ever you can. I doubt you would ignore a landowners right to limit guns on their property. You may not like it but I'm sure you respect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    This is not an issue of property rights. This is an issue of a business being rude, bigoted and discriminatory to a customer.


    Lets not cloud the issue.
    The word "discrimination" is being used very loosely here, yes?

    Don't like a business, tell them why & see if they'll change .. if not don't shop there.

    I do this every election cycle ... any business with a democrat poster on their land I ask them to remove it or I won't shop there. Some will take it down, some won't. Some folks will just put up a sign because a guy asked them if it was OK to put it up. That's our political process.


    I don't shop at places that the owner is anti 2nd amendment .... if I can help it
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    The word "discrimination" is being used very loosely here, yes?
    No. It is a perfect use of discrimination.

    Don't like a business, tell them why & see if they'll change .. if not don't shop there.
    Precisely. That is why it is a stupid idea to discriminate and be rude to a customer, this is the expected response by a customer.

    I don't shop at places that the owner is anti 2nd amendment .... if I can help it
    I don't do business with anyone where the business/property owner thinks that is ok to be bigoted to anyone or their rights.
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