Larry, since you seemed to know all about the differences between a 501(c)3 and a 501(c)4 (your post in response to my question about deductibility of donations) I thought you were all over this stuff. You might want to read IRS publication 557 (you can find it on line with google). It has the answers to most things non-profit.
When he and I were both on the SFA board, and beginning to be active in the legislative session, we had many discussions about the different 501(c) types,
as it pertains to political activism.
CowboyKen said:
I have also appreciated Larry's work in the legislative arena and I also know him to be a straight shooter. I would feel very badly if his good intentions were being abused.
Then you should feel bad for the acts of some forum members here. Also, you did imply that he and I were just 'playing games' with you.
We weren't.
CowboyKen said:
As to your attitude that anyone who asks a legitimate question has bad intentions and is "working against the new organization," that is just bogus.
That misrepresents my attitude.
CowboyKen said:
Your repeated responses impugning the intentions of everyone who dares raise an issue are unfortunate. Things like this: are poor form.
Once again, you are misrepresenting my actions. Legitimate questions aren't 'out of line.' But, too many of the questions have seemed specifically for the reason of nitpicking a very new organization, as opposed to simply seeking information.
CowboyKen said:
Sending us to a web-site with virtually no information and telling us to use the contact page there, which seems to be totally unresponsive, to get answers is poor form.
BS. When you have questions best answered by the board of the org, and/or by specific persons on the board, sending you to the contact page IS the best thing to do.
CowboyKen said:
If the NVFAC is to survive, let alone succeed, then IMO they need better supporters and spokesmen then you.
Ken
I have NEVER claimed to be a spokesman for them. If the NVFAC is to survive, what they really need is NUMBERS, lots of them, as I have pointed out earlier. Even the SFA with ~700 members did get noticed in session, from a population center of ~20,000. Now, imagine if the NVFAC could claim membership of that ratio against the NV population!
Their goals have been stated, and AFAIK, they ARE working towards those goals. Much of that is being worked towards the legislative session, which I support. To others, this simply hasn't been 'enough.'
I am not out to earn animosity, but I dislike when a new organization gets grilled as they have here, for nothing worse than that they aren't the best at communication, and that they aren't working on the hot-button agenda items of everyman who isn't a member of the org.
Much of how I see the org is because Larry believes the org can be effective. But, even that won't get progress made. Members and membership dues will though. IF you desire them to have a chance at success for NV gun owners, I do encourage you to join and make your voice heard as a member. Dislike me and my methods if you must, but don't hold that against the NVFAC, because I am not a spokesman for them. I am merely a Nevada Citizen who has seen firsthand how much we NEED a strong PAC during session. It DID make a difference when SFA lobbied for the group, and it will make a GREATER difference if a Statewide group can present membership numbers backing pro-2A legislative changes.
And, take this as it sounds, just like I told DVC. "Lead, Follow, or get out of the way."
That sounds rude, but seriously, if you at least support the stated goals of the organization, supporting them makes sense. Supporting them as a member increases their power, and adds your voice to the 'we need item x addressed' when they are setting goals and priorities. I have no doubt that the board and members hold more sway as to what gets addressed than do non-members. But, if you cannot find it in you to support them, at least try not to hinder them. For the first time since I began being active for gun rights, we have an organization that may be positioned to have REAL statewide impact in session; but they will NEED numbers.