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    Colorado State Fair weapons ban

    Could one of our Pueblo brethren swing by the state fairgrounds sometime and get the CRS thatís posted at entrances proclaiming no weapons on state fairgrounds? (or if youíre better at searching the CRS than I am, feel free! ) Iíve been meaning to look that statute for some time to see exactly what it says. All I know is that the state fair interprets it to mean no carry, either OC or CC.

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    I did a quick search on their web site and did not find anything in regards to general admission. However the following was under the Entertainment section.

    The following items are NOT PERMITTED in the Events Center or Budweiser Grandstand Arena
    Outside food or drinks (Venue has many individual concession stands)
    Laser pointers (Will be confiscated & patron subject to ejection).
    Recording devices (Audio, Video, or Cameras as restricted by show)
    Backpacks
    Smoking
    Weapons or items construed as weapons (e.g., guns, knives, sticks, fireworks)


    Good luck.

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    I know there's a sign at the Governor's Gate on West Arroyo Ave, in fact it might be rightmost of those two signs in the picture. If not, it's probably the one visible through the bars, by the ticket windows.

    It quotes the CRS statute and lists its number that allows the ban, and I'd like to read it for myself. Can anyone down in Pueblo swing by there sometime?

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    Got it. . . .

    I gotta vote tomorrow morning anyway . . . I'll stop by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogidu View Post
    I gotta vote tomorrow morning anyway . . . I'll stop by.
    Did you take pics? At least some notes?
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    29-11.7-104. Regulation - Carrying - Posting.
    A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government's jurisdiction. If a local government enacts
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    an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area, the local government shall post signs at the public entrance
    (4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which: (a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building; (b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and (c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.s to the building or specific area informing persons that the open carrying of firearms is prohibited in the building or specific area.

    According to these C.R.Statutes open carry at State fair grounds could be prohibited, but cc cannot unless security personnel with metal detectors are posted at entrances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x1wildone View Post
    29-11.7-104. Regulation - Carrying - Posting.
    A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government's jurisdiction. If a local government enacts
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    an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area, the local government shall post signs at the public entrance
    (4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which: (a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building; (b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and (c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.s to the building or specific area informing persons that the open carrying of firearms is prohibited in the building or specific area.

    According to these C.R.Statutes open carry at State fair grounds could be prohibited, but cc cannot unless security personnel with metal detectors are posted at entrances.
    Ok, we have the same discussion going on in two threads, this being the better one.

    Here's the key: I believe that the State fairgrounds are State property and not Pueblo property, and we're not talking about "A local government" but a State statute because they quote the CRS for banning "weapons" at the State fair. That's why I'm asking for the CRS number that's on the sign at the State fair entrance.

    That's why I'm interested, there's more to it here than the normal banning of OC by local governments.

    O2

    PS. As a datapoint, but probably moot because we're talking about a state statute, there have never been metal detectors at the state fair entrances. They do have people poke around in purses and backpacks as you enter, but nothing more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O2HeN2 View Post
    Snip...
    Here's the key: I believe that the State fairgrounds are State property and not Pueblo property, and we're not talking about "A local government" but a State statute because they quote the CRS for banning "weapons" at the State fair. That's why I'm asking for the CRS number that's on the sign at the State fair entrance.
    But are they? Are the fairgrounds State, Local, or Private? I have never been there myself, but I see the "Budweiser Grandstand Arena." The Budweiser Event Center bans carry last I knew. Sports Authority Field bans carry. Dick's Sporting Goods Park does too. The Pepsi Center... The list goes on. All of these places are private property.

    They hold public events there, and are even subsidised by the governments, but they are still private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    But are they [State property]?
    I don't know for sure, hence my "I believe..." statement. Even if they aren't, if a State Statute bans bans carry there, it's [unfortunately] valid since we're not talking about a law passed by a local government.

    We need that cite, everything's conjecture at this point.

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    CC cannot be banned if the property is owned by any local or state government. If it is privately owned, the owners can. OC can be banned by the local government. The state only allows a ban based on the metal detectors, et al provision.
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    Apologies

    Yesterday did NOT turn out like I had planned . . . . . this CAUCUS stuff is crap, give me a primary any day of the week.

    Ok, I did stop by and take pictures this morning, unfortunately I left the disk out of my camera so it saved to internal memory . . . . and of course, the cable for it is at home. I can upload them tonight.

    Of course I can tell you exactly what the signs say . . . . . STATE PROPERTY, NO FIREARMS. No mention of a CRS or anything of the sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogidu View Post
    No mention of a CRS or anything of the sort.
    Then the sign has been changed. Looking forward to the pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    But are they? Are the fairgrounds State, Local, or Private? I have never been there myself, but I see the "Budweiser Grandstand Arena." The Budweiser Event Center bans carry last I knew. Sports Authority Field bans carry. Dick's Sporting Goods Park does too. The Pepsi Center... The list goes on. All of these places are private property.

    They hold public events there, and are even subsidised by the governments, but they are still private.
    Curious, might these be state/local government owned with only the naming rights being leased?

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    Better late than never

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    Ok, NOW I'm starting to think the ban is completely illegal. I'm going through Article 65 to see if any "special powers" are given to the state fair authority. Other eyes on the document would be most welcome!

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    I have it on FAIRly good authority that it's not legal . . . . but the attitude is that until someone challenges it they are going to enforce it. Hang around the midway from 10pm on . . . . . you'll see why they are doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogidu View Post
    I have it on FAIRly good authority that it's not legal . . . . but the attitude is that until someone challenges it they are going to enforce it. Hang around the midway from 10pm on . . . . . you'll see why they are doing it.
    Seems to me that that's precisely why they should not be doing it.

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    I would walk past that sign cc no problem, If I felt a bit ornery I would oc but would be prepared for some extra special attention. That sign is only there to keep the sheeple under the thumb. It is not an enforcable sign, but be prepared to spend some money and time. State could not even trespass you on public property.

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    Starting with the path of least resistance: I'll sign up to write a letter to John Suthers, asking the State Fairground signs be brought into compliance with state law. Might as well make a party out of it -- I'll post the proposed letter here for critiquing before I send it off. I helped with one of his campaigns many years ago, but I guarantee that he doesn't remember me, so that's no "in".

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    Quote Originally Posted by x1wildone View Post
    I would walk past that sign cc no problem, If I felt a bit ornery I would oc but would be prepared for some extra special attention.
    Even cc you'd get extra special attention. I don't know if you've been to the fair or not, but right inside the gates they search bags and wand people upon entrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogidu View Post
    ...and wand people upon entrance.
    I don't remember being wanded. If so, then perhaps it IS legal because of the metal detector wording...

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    Quote Originally Posted by O2HeN2 View Post
    I don't remember being wanded. If so, then perhaps it IS legal because of the metal detector wording...

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    I thought that there had to be 'fixed security measures (i.e. metal detectors)' in place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogidu View Post
    I thought that there had to be 'fixed security measures (i.e. metal detectors)' in place?
    18-12-214 (4) (a) "Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building"

    Now I see two problems here. The metal dectors are not permanently in place, and we are not talking about a building, just an area.

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    Beat me to it, plus it appears to be an AND of three requirements:

    18-12-214:

    (4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

    (a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

    (b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

    (c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

    So it appears that the state can only ban concealed carry from buildings. And I bet they have NO way of storing your firearm if you surrendered it to them "while in the building".

    So, the fairgrounds is not a building and they aren't meeting requirements a and [I assume] c.

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