When did I say anything about telling anybody to drop his gun?
When did I say anything about you telling anybody to drop their gun? What are you talking about?
When did I say anything about telling anybody to drop his gun?
When did I say anything about you telling anybody to drop their gun? What are you talking about?
I have never been in that situation but I was told by my crazy ccw instructor is if you have to draw and point, you shoot, no hesitation, no conversation. But I would not have drawn unless I saw the gun.
But I can clearly see in your situation it all happened very fast and definately an Oh SH#$ moment for sure.
What made you pause instead of draw and shoot?
He clearly brandished, I think in most states that is considered the same as being armed.
I thought I was not harsh enough.... Either the B.G. or he who wrote the OP, or both could have ended up DEAD... Or...
Outdoorsman1
As far as my feelings on a verbal warning... Obvioulsy that would vary based on any given situtation...
A verbal warning could very well save a life if the warning was taken seriously and actually stopped an advance but...
I must say, in a real world obvious life and death situation, I will give no warning... the BG has already made the decision to cause me great bodily harm.. that was his choice... the more surprised he is in my stopping his (armed) advance the better... he should have considered all consequences before making the possible fatal mistake of approaching me or any of my loved ones with the obvious intent of killing us (armed). I see his gun... that is justification... No warning... Just... Bang.... before his has a chance to go bang on me... Here is an excellent read on the subject... The comments after the article are as good or better than the article itself....
http://www.warriortalknews.com/2010/12/giving_a_warning.html
Outdoorsman1
The point to my initial post is that the decision to draw & the decision to fire should be two separate decisions. Maybe both decisions are made in succession within a fraction of a second, but both decisions need to be made.
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The point to my initial post is that the decision to draw & the decision to fire should be two separate decisions. Maybe both decisions are made in succession within a fraction of a second, but both decisions need to be made. There are scenarios where the mere sight of a gun will make a BG turn and run. You don't want to have already made a mental commitment to pull the trigger if while drawing you're watching the BG turn to run. If you've trained to draw & shoot with one decision then in such a moment you're likely to end up following through & putting a bullet in the BG's back. :uhoh:
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Bottom line, if enemy will back down because I draw me weapon, great. If not...when I shoot at someone, I only shoot to kill. Just my training kicking in.
In civilial self-defense there is a decided advantage to shooting to stop and only esposing that reaction. The result may well be the same, but he intent expressed is totally different and words do have meaning, especially to an overly zealous prosecutor.
In civilial self-defense there is a decided advantage to shooting to stop and only esposing that reaction. The result may well be the same, but he intent expressed is totally different and words do have meaning, especially to an overly zealous prosecutor.
I don't understand what you said here. Could you rephrase it please?
Don't say "kill"
Say "stop". That won't hurt you in court.
I think all Grapeshot is saying that if a prosecuting attorney pulls a transcript from an online forum of you saying "I'd shoot to kill" he would try to present that as if you were wanting to kill someone.
If you say "I'd shoot to stop the threat" it's much harder for them to twist that in an unfavorable light. We shoot to stop the threat, and sometimes death is the result.
The moral of the story is to not give the opposing side any ammunition to use against you if you ever end up in court.
Don't say "kill"
Say "stop". That won't hurt you in court.