Phoenix David
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And how many know what that's for? :lol:
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military base carry debate
- Thread starter diablos30
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And how many know what that's for? :lol:
MSG Laigaie
Campaign Veteran
I started running small arms ranges as an e4. OC has spoken Truth.
I have held the position of First Sergeant on numerous occasions. I resemble that remark.
PRP? had to have a TSBI and stay on PRP because I handled nukes of various sizes.
My experience. I did a great deal of Military funerals. We took M16A2s for the Final Shot. These were not semi ARs, they were full auto rock and rollers. I carried a loaded pistol as the NCOIC. We would have been sitting ducks for a weapon robbery without at least one loaded weapon. Years and years ago, their were bikers of an unknown club attacking perimeter guards at Ft Dix. The had no bullets, so they were an easy target. The fix? Take away the guns and give them nite sticks.
xd shooter
Regular Member
So far, 3 governors have decided to allow their states NG to arm and protect themselves. Maybe the start of a new day.... 
How is this even a question? "Should we arm our military?" Is this la-la-land or what? Who really thinks that members of our own military should not be able carry virtually anywhere? Hell, cops have more rights in that regard.
There has been an aversion to an armed standing army being let off base since before we became a country.
The discussion about arming service members while on duty will continue to deal with that aversion. Now, as for service members not in uniform and off duty and off base? I see no difference between them and the rest of us -except they are going to. Have to go through the hoops and red tape that will be involved in storage and transport.
stay safe.
The discussion about arming service members while on duty will continue to deal with that aversion. Now, as for service members not in uniform and off duty and off base? I see no difference between them and the rest of us -except they are going to. Have to go through the hoops and red tape that will be involved in storage and transport.
stay safe.
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
I am one of those. I believe we could be faced with unintended consequences when removing the restrictions for Obama's standing army to be armed, in uniform, off base. Off duty, out of uniform carrying a personal weapon I certainly wouldn't have a problem with.
The "standing army" is the Federal agencies and local police forces IMO, not the US Military.
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
I understand where you're coming from. Of course I want our servicemen to be safe and some changes may be prudent. I just think we should be cautious about the powers of the US military and it's commander in chief outside of war time.
hafnhaf
Regular Member
we ARE in a war. The White Bronco War.
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
Investigative Authority and Personnel at 13 Agencies
http://www.gao.gov/assets/230/223212.pdf
Pay particular attention to page 12 - IRS and page 13 - ATF.
Also,
USE OF FORCE
ATF Policy, Training and Review Process Are Comparable to DEA’s and FBI’s
http://www.gaonet.gov/assets/160/155422.pdf
See page 123 - ATF - Waco Operation.
mnrobitaille
Regular Member
Therein lies part of the problem, how can one trust a CIC who has no military service record?
How many of our elected officials even have military service records?
It's a shame that our family members who are serving are not able to defend themselves unless they're in their own home or in an active combat zone.
How many of our elected officials even have military service records?
It's a shame that our family members who are serving are not able to defend themselves unless they're in their own home or in an active combat zone.
mnrobitaille
Regular Member
That report is a bit outdated as we now have the umbrella called Department of Homeland Security, which includes several agencies under one central leadership.
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
color of law
Accomplished Advocate
Your point?
I'm sorry, but your answer demonstrates your ignorance of the law. Just because an agency was shuffled under a new agency does not grant that agency any additional powers unless the law says so.
Can you tell me what specific law enlarged any particular agencies powers because of the rearrangement of delegation of authority?
Have a look: http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/dhs-orgchart.pdf
Have a Look: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/jmd/legacy/2014/06/23/dojorg.pdf
This is BS.
Folks at that pay grade are not even strategic planners. They come up with a kinda/sorta description of what they want done, buck it to the Joint Chiefs who kick it into bits that are then sent around to layers and layers of folks who put together layers and layers of strategy - the higher up the more head-in-the-clouds conceptual their planning is.
Then all that strategy has to be kicked around with the tacticians who will either tell you why it can't be done or figure out a way to make it happen within both the military and political strategy boundaries. (This last part, BTW, is why there are so few country-sized glass ashtrays.)
stay safe.
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
You are not wrong. I was so baffled by the statement I just ignored it as nonsense.
hafnhaf
Regular Member
what? not old enough to remember the low-speed chase of O.J. Simpson? We're just slowly following ISIS around, waiting for something bad to happen so we can react. Always too little too late. Ram those bastards into the guardrail and take them out!
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
Things would be easier if the ISIS in the US would be kind enough to differentiate themselves from the LAC muslims.
Got any ideas?
Definitely remember the chase. Work pretty much stopped to everybody could watch it happen in real time. And that's something you do not want to see taking place inside a prison.
I asked because my mind had come up with some other possible references.
stay safe.
I asked because my mind had come up with some other possible references.
stay safe.