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    HB139 - constitutional carry...

    i see that there's been no action on this one other than assignment to mpps.

    it's not on the full committee's docket nor has it been assigned to any of the subs, so is it safe to assume that it's just sitting in lingamfelter's pocket waiting to die? isn't this just as bad/wrong as the senate's coj ex-deathstar sub under the dems? i've not been around the va political scene long enough to have all the history, but it sure looks like the house repubs have a deathstar process of their own. bills should at least be heard and then move forward or be killed *on the record*!
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    I'd like to see this get through as well.
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    FROM: http://www.vgoc.org/

    "As feared nothing is happening with HB139 the Constitutional Carry Bill making it legal for law-abiding Virginians to carry concealed without a permit.

    It is outrageous that the right to carry is infringed by putting your name in a government data base. Speaker William Howell has yet to assign the bill to a sub-committee. And bill sponsor Mark Cole is standing by twiddling his thumbs in hopes the bill will die. Mr. Cole is a committee chair which means he serves at the Speakers pleasure and represents the party boss to gun owner not gun owners to the party boss.

    Party Boss Howell and Delegate Cole really don’t want a floor vote on the bill because they fear it will pass and many so-called pro-gun Republicans like Scott Lingamfelter like having access to the names of concealed carry permit holders at election time.

    Lingamfelter and others don’t want to vote on the bill. They don’t want to go on the record for gun control. But the HB 139 Bill Sponsor, Mark Cole, could be a leader and force a vote. He could move to discharge the bill. The vote on discharge will then be the vote to either support the bill or kill it.

    Call Mark Cole at 804 698 1088 or email him at DelMCole@house.virginia.gov Tell him “I am with Virginia Gun Owners Coalition and expect you to discharge HB 139 from Committee if Speaker Howell refuses let it go to the House Floor. Please be a leader not a follower of the party bosses”. If Scott Lingamfelter or Speaker Howell are your delegates call them too.

    For Liberty,
    Mike McHugh
    President, VGOC"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    isn't this just as bad/wrong as the senate's coj ex-deathstar sub under the dems? i've not been around the va political scene long enough to have all the history, but it sure looks like the house repubs have a deathstar process of their own. bills should at least be heard and then move forward or be killed *on the record*!
    Just as morally bad/wrong? Yes. As legally wrong? No. The house rules allow a subcommittee to kill a bill. The senate rules require that a full committee vote up or down on a bill, a subcommittee cannot do that - only make recommendations. The dems were allowing the senate subcommittee to kill pro gun bills in violation of senate rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt357 View Post
    Just as morally bad/wrong? Yes. As legally wrong? No. The house rules allow a subcommittee to kill a bill. The senate rules require that a full committee vote up or down on a bill, a subcommittee cannot do that - only make recommendations. The dems were allowing the senate subcommittee to kill pro gun bills in violation of senate rules.
    but 139 hasn't even been assigned to subcommittee 1, 2 or 3. it's apparently just sitting in the committee chairman's pocket. at least the airport bill got assigned, was voted on and recommended back to the full committee, albeit to the chagrin apparently, of the speaker.
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    Angry why isn't it getting support

    It saddens me that our "pro 2A" orgs aren't making more of an uproar about this!!!!!!

    It's my opinion it is the fault of the gun owners in VA not getting behind it and showing their support.
    IMHO, there are many CHP elistist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent19 View Post
    It saddens me that our "pro 2A" orgs aren't making more of an uproar about this!!!!!!

    It's my opinion it is the fault of the gun owners in VA not getting behind it and showing their support.
    IMHO, there are many CHP elistist
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    +1,000,000,000,000
    I've mentioned before that while making my rounds and bringing this bill up, the majority of Legislative Assistants (That's where the real power is) have never heard of it.

    I'm not nearly niave enough to think it would pass this year but I told Philip the other night, it sure would be nice to get out of Committee. Now I'm thinking, it'd be nice to get it in Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post

    I'm not nearly niave enough to think it would pass this year but I told Philip the other night, it sure would be nice to get out of Committee. Now I'm thinking, it'd be nice to get it in Committee.
    THIS!!!
    x1,000,000,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I'm not nearly niave enough to think it would pass this year but I told Philip the other night, it sure would be nice to get out of Committee. Now I'm thinking, it'd be nice to get it in Committee.
    Agreed, I am just surprised it and SB 324 didn't get more attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent19 View Post
    It saddens me that our "pro 2A" orgs aren't making more of an uproar about this!!!!!!

    It's my opinion it is the fault of the gun owners in VA not getting behind it and showing their support.
    IMHO, there are many CHP elistist
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    P4P yes this is the ultimate sell out.We should demand Constitutional Carry be voted on in the full senate. Up or down. That way we know who is for us and who to target for political elimination come the next election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    P4P yes this is the ultimate sell out.We should demand Constitutional Carry be voted on in the full senate. Up or down. That way we know who is for us and who to target for political elimination come the next election.
    +infinity. This crap of bills not being heard is getting old and BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent19 View Post
    It saddens me that our "pro 2A" orgs aren't making more of an uproar about this!!!!!!

    It's my opinion it is the fault of the gun owners in VA not getting behind it and showing their support.
    IMHO, there are many CHP elistist
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    Common refrain:

    "I support the Second Amendment, but ..."

    But what, you may ask.

    And the answer would be, relevant to this thread:

    "I support the Second Amendment, but you must be approved first."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Common refrain:

    "I support the Second Amendment, but ..."

    But what, you may ask.

    And the answer would be, relevant to this thread:

    "I support the Second Amendment, but you must be approved first."
    No Repeater, it's more like:

    I'm an NRA member but________________________________________.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    No Repeater, it's more like:

    I'm an NRA member but________________________________________.
    More like:

    I'm from the NRA -- can I sell you some Life Insurance!

    That is, junk mail. Similar to junk bills.

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    No kidding on the junk mail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    P4P yes this is the ultimate sell out.We should demand Constitutional Carry be voted on in the full senate. Up or down. That way we know who is for us and who to target for political elimination come the next election.
    P4P? Please excuse the dumb country boy question here.

    What the heck is P4P anyway? I see it mentioned a lot lately.

    Pay for Politics?
    Pay for Performance?
    Purchase for Progress?
    Urban: Points For Pageviews?
    Urban: Pay for Pleasure? .. reference to soapies


    Thanks,
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    Perks for permits
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    This may or may not help you to feel better. Take it for what you choose to get out of it.

    Politics is a game. When you win, you can sometimes get what you want. When you lose, you can't get any of what you want at all.


    During any of the past General Assembly sessions in recent memory, and especially the previous two, if HB 139 had been introduced, it would have been quite literally laughed out of the GAB, right into the gutter on Broad Street. The sponsor would have been labeled a modern-day version of Jesse James, and ridiculed from left to right, top to bottom for wasting everyone's time.

    Big election. Lots of changes. This year, HB 139 was introduced. Nobody laughed. People scratched their chins and thought, "Hmmmm...."

    The Elephant is in the room.

    So, it may very well stay in Lingamfelter's pocket this year. But it was noticed, and it was discussed behind closed doors, and in the hallways, and on internet message forums, in e-mail alerts, and even in the newspapers.

    There may not be enough support to pass it this year. Do you really think it takes a floor vote to discover that? Do you want pro-gun legislators spending their limited amount of political capital, risking the loss of their seats on votes that we know will not yet ultimately succeed? You say you want to know, so you can vote them out, but remember, in the districts where this is a contentious issue, these are the "good" guys. The "other" guy is going to be worse. Much, much worse.

    I don't have concrete answers to all these questions. I do know that politics is a marathon, not a sprint.

    No, this year they aren't laughing. For me, that is a very good first step.

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    Constitutional Carry Stalled in Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    For me, that is a very good first step.
    Agreed, but the yr ain't over, yet it appears some of our "alleged" 2A orgs have given up trying to get this passed.



    Your help needed in busting HB 139 out of committee



    Constitutional Carry Stalled in Committee





    Please contact Del. Cole and urge him to introduce a Discharge Petition on HB 139. You may use the message below to contact him by email or phone.

    Email:
    DelMCole@house.virginia.gov
    Phone: (540) 786-3402


    Dear Delegate Cole,


    I urge you to introduce a DISCHARGE PETITION to bring HB 139 to the House floor for a vote. I wholeheartedly support this legislation … and believe the time is ripe to get this passed.


    We have more pro-gun delegates than we’ve had in years. Plus, we have a governor who will sign the bill.


    So please protect my right to keep and bear arms by introducing a Discharge Petition for HB 139. There are already four states with such a law and they have all had positive experiences.


    Gun Owners of America will keep me posted on the progress of this legislation.


    Sincerely,
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    Message sent to Delegate Cole!

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    Emailed, called and posted on VAGT.
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


    ~Alan Korwin

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