Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: 1911 Fix-it Help

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    South of Disorder in Rouge Canyon, , USA
    Posts
    272

    1911 Fix-it Help

    Hey All:

    A close friend of mine is fixing up his uncles 30-year-old 1911 for his birthday, he is wondering where he can get parts for this pistol. Here are some details;

    Iíve been told its an Army issue around 30-years-old.
    The manufacturer is US & S out of Springvale or maybe its Sweetvale Pennsylvania.

    Any info would be great Ö. THANKS !!!!

  2. #2
    Founder's Club Member thebigsd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Quarryville, PA
    Posts
    3,543
    You have this posted in two threads. Either way...

    Here is a particular site that I have found useful on numerous occasions.

    Numrich Gun Parts

    http://www.gunpartscorp.com/
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

  3. #3
    Campaign Veteran MAC702's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Nevada
    Posts
    6,520
    For parts that do not need to be USGI (and not all of of Numrich's will be either, so make sure), there are also my go-to suppliers:

    www.midwayusa.com
    www.brownells.com
    Last edited by MAC702; 02-08-2012 at 08:45 PM.
    "It's not important how many people I've killed. What's important is how I get along with the people who are still alive" - Jimmy the Tulip

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Posts
    333
    Quote Originally Posted by Bersa.380 View Post
    Hey All:

    A close friend of mine is fixing up his uncles 30-year-old 1911 for his birthday, he is wondering where he can get parts for this pistol. Here are some details;

    Iíve been told its an Army issue around 30-years-old.
    The manufacturer is US & S out of Springvale or maybe its Sweetvale Pennsylvania.

    Any info would be great Ö. THANKS !!!!
    Not to be unkind, but if your friend does not know where to get parts, how on earth could he be qualified to assess to parts to be changed, much less fit them to the gun.
    Steve


    "Life is hard, its even harder when you are stupid!"

  5. #5
    Regular Member 09jisaac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Louisa, Kentucky
    Posts
    1,694
    Quote Originally Posted by .45acp View Post
    Not to be unkind, but if your friend does not know where to get parts, how on earth could he be qualified to assess to parts to be changed, much less fit them to the gun.
    I think he is looking for original parts, he could have assembled plenty of 1911s from scratch.

  6. #6
    Regular Member Gil223's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Weber County Utah
    Posts
    1,428
    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I think he is looking for original parts, he could have assembled plenty of 1911s from scratch.
    The design of the 1911 - other than the introduction of the A1 model - really hasn't changed in 100 years. "Original parts" are still being made today... right this minute. Which just goes to prove that old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". John M. Browning's design was so well done, that there has been no need to modify any of the parts (with the possible exception of the materials used - metallurgy has advanced significantly since 1911), and the specs for the 1911 proper (the full-sized 1911, not the Commander, Delta, etc.) remain as they were originally.

    Your friend needs to be careful which parts he replaces. He will not be able to "restore" it to USGI standards (or 'collector standards' - all matching serial numbers) if any of the serial numbered parts are replaced (replacing any serial numbered part will result in a severe reduction in resale value to anyone who knows 1911s). However, if he wants nothing more than to restore it as a shooter, for its sentimental value, or as a family heirloom, he can change anything he wants and then paint it purple! Pax...
    MOLON LABE
    COUNTRY FIRST
    Glocks ROCK!

  7. #7
    Regular Member 09jisaac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Louisa, Kentucky
    Posts
    1,694
    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    The design of the 1911 - other than the introduction of the A1 model - really hasn't changed in 100 years. "Original parts" are still being made today... right this minute. Which just goes to prove that old saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". John M. Browning's design was so well done, that there has been no need to modify any of the parts (with the possible exception of the materials used - metallurgy has advanced significantly since 1911), and the specs for the 1911 proper (the full-sized 1911, not the Commander, Delta, etc.) remain as they were originally.

    Your friend needs to be careful which parts he replaces. He will not be able to "restore" it to USGI standards (or 'collector standards' - all matching serial numbers) if any of the serial numbered parts are replaced (replacing any serial numbered part will result in a severe reduction in resale value to anyone who knows 1911s). However, if he wants nothing more than to restore it as a shooter, for its sentimental value, or as a family heirloom, he can change anything he wants and then paint it purple! Pax...
    There is a huge difference between original parts and original spec parts. Not all the parts have markings on them, if I am not mistaken. I know that the 1911 has changed very little in its hundred years but parts that were produced 30 years ago would be distinguishable from parts produced this year, if only from the eyes of an expert.

  8. #8
    Regular Member Gil223's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Weber County Utah
    Posts
    1,428
    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    There is a huge difference between original parts and original spec parts. Not all the parts have markings on them, if I am not mistaken. I know that the 1911 has changed very little in its hundred years but parts that were produced 30 years ago would be distinguishable from parts produced this year, if only from the eyes of an expert.
    Yes, they would be distinguishable, but they would still fit probably 99% of 1911s - which is the point I was trying to make. However, serial numbered parts (barrel, slide and frame) that were replaced would be a deal breaker to any 1911 collector, even if he was just beginning his collection. As I said, metallurgy (and machining and finishing processes as well) have made significant advances in the last 100 years. Parts made today meet the original specs, but use improved materials. It sounds as if his friend's 1911 is being rebuilt for sentimental reasons, so it probably makes no difference what he does to it. Pax...
    MOLON LABE
    COUNTRY FIRST
    Glocks ROCK!

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    South of Disorder in Rouge Canyon, , USA
    Posts
    272
    Quote Originally Posted by .45acp View Post
    Not to be unkind, but if your friend does not know where to get parts, how on earth could he be qualified to assess to parts to be changed, much less fit them to the gun.
    Taking a gun apart and putting it back together is not Rocket Sience ..... do you not realize some guys have an ability to fix things ..... WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    South of Disorder in Rouge Canyon, , USA
    Posts
    272
    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    Yes, they would be distinguishable, but they would still fit probably 99% of 1911s - which is the point I was trying to make. However, serial numbered parts (barrel, slide and frame) that were replaced would be a deal breaker to any 1911 collector, even if he was just beginning his collection. As I said, metallurgy (and machining and finishing processes as well) have made significant advances in the last 100 years. Parts made today meet the original specs, but use improved materials. It sounds as if his friend's 1911 is being rebuilt for sentimental reasons, so it probably makes no difference what he does to it. Pax...
    Yup, being rebuilt for sentimental reasons .... it needs a few small things .... like grip screws, barrel bushing, and has a weak beavertail safety spring ....

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Posts
    333
    Quote Originally Posted by Bersa.380 View Post
    Taking a gun apart and putting it back together is not Rocket Sience ..... do you not realize some guys have an ability to fix things ..... WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!!

    Its "Not Rocket Science" I believe you were trying to say.

    Point taken......But many internal parts need fitting by one that knows the 1911. About half of the shade tree mechanic firearms on any range don't run well....and like it or not, ensuring the safe function of any firearm is a prerequisite for performing work on them.

    I have noticed an increasing number of folks that think being mechanically inclined suddenly translates into being a gunsmith......I will disagree.
    Steve


    "Life is hard, its even harder when you are stupid!"

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Cincy area, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    891
    Just fyi: That US&S 1911 was manufactured no later than during World War Two. Other than some small runs of guns made for special ops groups in the last few years, our military hasn't received new-made 1911s since about 1950.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •