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    Three Tiers of Police-Citizen Encounters


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    Interesting training. Lets the regular joe understand the method therefore allowing him a counterattack to unjustified stops.

    I would like to be able to send this to BPD. Nah, they don't have to train
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    Nice post Mainsail!

    One thing I didn't see adressed or maybe I just missed it was what if the officer feels he has RAS and the "suspect" doesn't consent, does that move to arrest or back to consensual?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    A very informative video, great link.
    • Being prepared is to prepare, this is our responsibility.
    • I am not your Mommy or Daddy and do not sugar coat it but I will tell you simply as how I see it, it is up to you on how you will or will not use it.
    • IANAL, all information I present is for your review, do your own homework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Nice post Mainsail!

    One thing I didn't see adressed or maybe I just missed it was what if the officer feels he has RAS and the "suspect" doesn't consent, does that move to arrest or back to consensual?
    Possibly still in the investigative Detention mode, but asked them yourself.

    From their website.

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    • Being prepared is to prepare, this is our responsibility.
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    • IANAL, all information I present is for your review, do your own homework.

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    They also never mentioned that during an investigative detention, if they ask a question that would tend to elicit a response that could show culpability, Miranda quite possibly would be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    They also never mentioned that during an investigative detention, if they ask a question that would tend to elicit a response that could show culpability, Miranda quite possibly would be needed.
    I thought he did allude to that,but could have been more clear. I think videos like this should be shown to school kids. Maybe with some civilian input to clarify some the questions we may have. And a few more cites for proof.
    Over all a pretty good job though.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Allude? .... People keep using that word.
    But, in this case I think it means what you think it means.

    Inigo would be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    Allude? .... People keep using that word.
    But, in this case I think it means what you think it means.

    Inigo would be proud.
    LOL...love the Princess Bride reference one of my all time favorite movies.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    This one is interesting. Putting aside the politics of the two groups, there are lessons here. Notice that the officer always phrases his demands as requests.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmNU7...c8RVAAAAAAAAAg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    This one is interesting. Putting aside the politics of the two groups, there are lessons here. Notice that the officer always phrases his demands as requests.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmNU7...c8RVAAAAAAAAAg
    Nice find. Notice how the officers changes what he said too? He knows it's legal to record but still tried to use color of authority for compliance.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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