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    "Gun rights" = "Mean-spirited legislation"

    Senator Herring thinks we're mean:


    General Assembly Dems blast Republicans for focus on social issues
    House and Senate Democrats this morning unloaded on Republicans, who now control both chambers, for pushing social legislation that has dominated much of the legislative session’s first half.

    The 17 Democratic legislators decried dozens of bills that they claim target the poor, limit women’s choices, discriminate against immigrants, suppress the vote and expand gun rights.

    Specifically, the group focused on legislation to repeal of the state’s longstanding one-handgun-a- month law, require an ultrasound before abortions and require drug screening for welfare recipients.

    Sen. Mark R. Herring, D-Loudoun, said Republicans are “spending way too much time on mean-spirited legislation” while “ignoring the problems that real Virginians face.”

    “It is now easier to get a gun in Virginia – and as many as you want effective July 1 – than it is to vote,” said Senate Democratic Leader Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax.

    Asked after the news conference why two Democrats supported the one-gun-a-month repeal bill in the Senate, Saslaw replied: “Can’t pick your relatives, can you?”
    So, according to Dick, does that make Edwards and Deeds bastard children?

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    Asked after the news conference why two Democrats supported the one-gun-a-month repeal bill in the Senate, Saslaw replied: “Can’t pick your relatives, can you?”
    Ain't that what yo muma said Dick?

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    Easier to get a gun than vote? Really? I thought it was easy to vote, just show up tell them who you are, or sign an affidavit saying you are that person, and then cast your vote. On the other hand, find a gun, start the sale, go through the back ground check process, wait, wait, wait. OH sorry, the VSP are backed up on checks right now come back later. Come back later, still not done, wait, wait , wait, okay your not a criminal you can purchase the gun. Show your I.D.'s, one has to be government issued, sign the papers and out the door. Easy.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson (quoting Cesare Beccaria)

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    Change the term on them

    It should become the expanding of "the right of self defense" not "gun rights". Guns have no rights, guns do not assault people. People have the right to self defense and by the Second Ammendment to the Constitution our right to arms shall not be infringed. We see the tools for defense, the anti crowd only sees a gun. Redefining the argument in our terms makes winning easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    No, it's not.

    I take exception to your comment.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
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    What are you trying to say here? It sounds like you're advocating for murder or bodily harm against politicians. Definitely the wrong attitude for this site.
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    What is quite befuddling is the severe lack of intellectual development in many or our politicians and the electorate given the almost unlimited access to knowledge the combination of public schools, libraries, and the Internet are providing to us.

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    Ron White says it best ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    What is quite befuddling is the severe lack of intellectual development in many or our politicians and the electorate given the almost unlimited access to knowledge the combination of public schools, libraries, and the Internet are providing to us.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8suVjclu8Zo

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    The catchphrase of the Republicans should be, "Making the right to self defense, and the accessibility to self defense firearms, more obtainable to all citizens of the Commonwealth, especially the poor, and minorities, who statistically are more likely to live in high crime areas."
    "Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    The catchphrase of the Republicans should be, "Making the right to self defense, and the accessibility to self defense firearms, more obtainable to all citizens of the Commonwealth, especially the poor, and minorities, who statistically are more likely to live in high crime areas."
    Don't give up your day-job to become a jingle writer...

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    Dick sounds like a whiny baby.

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    Seriously

    “It is now easier to get a gun in Virginia – and as many as you want effective July 1 – than it is to vote,” said Senate Democratic Leader Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax.

    How did anyone this stupid get elected?

    I used to live in NOVA and we never elected anyone as dumb as dirty Dick.

    How does this guy lie like this and continue to get re-elected? Has NOVA gone brain dead? I know DC has, but I didn't realize it has infected NOVA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by va_tazdad View Post
    “It is now easier to get a gun in Virginia – and as many as you want effective July 1 – than it is to vote,” said Senate Democratic Leader Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax.
    I had to register to vote (which required an ID) but I only get to vote once per election. I need to show two IDs to buy a gun, and I can do that as often as I want. What's changed?
    Last edited by 2a4all; 02-13-2012 at 11:38 AM.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Today's Hypocrisy Report

    Quote Originally Posted by 2a4all View Post
    I had to register to vote (which required an ID) but I only get to vote once per election. I need to show two IDs to buy a gun, and I can do that as often as I want. What's changed?
    This would seem to rate a 10 on the "Hypocrisy Meter" -- check it out:

    From the Constitutional Conservative, Thomas A. Garrett, a bill that would preserve voter integrity:

    SB 669 Voter registration records; general registrar to cancel registration of voter shown to be a felon.

    Summary:
    Requires general registrar to compare list of registered voters for his locality to the State Board of Elections comprehensive list of convicted felons, to cancel the registration of any registered voter shown to be a felon, and to notify the registered voter of the cancellation.

    Okay, somewhat analogous to background checks for persons trying to get guns. If we don't want ex-felons to have firearms, we don't want them to have the franchise. Equal treatment.

    Now, look at what happened today in the Senate:
    02/13/12 Senate: Read third time and passed Senate (22-Y 18-N)
    02/13/12 Senate: Reconsideration of passage agreed to by Senate (38-Y 2-N)
    02/13/12 Senate: Defeated by Senate (19-Y 21-N)
    See? It passed.

    Then -- someone made a motion for Reconsideration ....

    Then, It FAILED!

    So, who voted against the bill, thereby making it easier for felons to vote fraudulently:
    YEAS--Blevins, Carrico, Garrett, Hanger, Martin, McDougle, McWaters, Newman, Norment, Obenshain, Reeves, Ruff, Smith, Stanley, Stosch, Stuart, Vogel, Wagner, Watkins--19.

    NAYS--Barker, Black, Colgan, Deeds, Ebbin, Edwards, Favola, Herring, Howell, Locke, Lucas, Marsden, Marsh, McEachin, Miller, J.C., Miller, Y.B., Northam, Petersen, Puckett, Puller, Saslaw--21.
    Oops, it seems Dick Black made a boo--boo:
    Senator Black stated that he voted nay on the question of the passage of S.B. 669, whereas he intended to vote yea.
    Well, if Senator Black had not screwed up, the vote would have been 20-20. Then Bolling could have cast his vote favoring the bill.

    Result: it's easier for convicted felons to vote than get guns.

    Lesson: In the Senate there is no margin for error.

    Saslaw is wrong. As usual.

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