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    Santorum Gnawing On His Foot?

    I see nothing wrong with an open discussion regarding the differences between males and female; both their strong and their week points. But to act as if the male is somehow weakened by the female or that the female doesn't have the metaphorical stones to pull a trigger, well, he hasn't met someone like me, and I am not the only female out there who has pulled a trigger with someone in my sights.

    I think Santorum is the flavor of the next couple of week, am I wrong about this? Hopefully!

    Personally, from a political perspective he could have taken a much different trip through this issue where he got to state what he wanted to state but not in a way that would create a negative response to viewers. He is right that there are differences between the two genders--the average height of a male is 5'11" and the average height of a female is 5'7"ish. Men are physiologically built for strength compared to the physiological makeup of females. Anyhoo.

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    "But I do have concerns about women in front-line combat, I think that could be a very compromising situation, where people naturally may do things that may not be in the interest of the mission, because of other types of emotions that are involved," Santorum continued. "It already happens, of course, with the camaraderie of men in combat, but I think it would be even more unique if women were in combat, and I think that's probably not in the best interest of men, women or the mission."
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    Santorum is an idiot, in many different ways.


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    Here, Santorum sees a child from rape as a gift to the woman. This is where he gets in trouble not by his message rather, by his verbalization of his message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Here, Santorum sees a child from rape as a gift to the woman.
    Agree with him or not, the man has convictions about the sanctity of human life in the midst of a society where most everything is "disposable" if it becomes inconvenient.
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    I understand what he means when he says "life is a gift", but I think he's failing to clearly explain his position to others that don't understand.

    With that said, I wouldn't consider rape/pregnancy a "gift", but I think there are alternatives to abortion, like adoption.

    But even though I find abortion abhorrent, I can't expect others to live by my moral/ethical/religious code, and I believe in liberty, even if people make choices I don't agree with.

    At any rate, Santorum is definitely the flavor du jour, and I can't wait for him to be the next to drop out. He claimed he won't, because he feels "destined" for this () but if anyone quits next, I think it's gonna be him. Romney has enough money to run forever, Gingrich won't quit because of his pride and ego, and Ron Paul won't quit because of his convictions and love for our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Agree with him or not, the man has convictions about the sanctity of human life in the midst of a society where most everything is "disposable" if it becomes inconvenient.
    Those convictions are commendable, but should not be legislated by government. Which is definitely what Santorum would do if elected.

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    LOL at 'men' having -any- input on abortion.

    BTW, are you sure on the average height of women?

    According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the average U.S. woman is 5' 3.7
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    Those convictions are commendable, but should not be legislated by government. Which is definitely what Santorum would do if elected.
    I respectfully disagree about the legislation by the government. I believe our government should protect the rights of all Americans, regardless of their stage of development.

    A 12-week-old human fetus...who's going to look out for his or her rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawah View Post
    LOL at 'men' having -any- input on abortion.
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    So if there were no men, there would still be abortions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    I respectfully disagree about the legislation by the government. I believe our government should protect the rights of all Americans, regardless of their stage of development.

    A 12-week-old human fetus...who's going to look out for his or her rights?

    http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/2...humanfetus.jpg
    I am strongly anti-abortion; I believe life starts at conception. But when we allow the Federal Government the power to legislate morality across the country, we slip into very dangerous territory, and it puts all of our rights at risk.

    Have no doubt, Santorum absolutely would use his position as President to enforce his views of what is right and wrong on the rest of us, and that opens the door for the next guy; whom you might not agree with so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawah View Post
    LOL at 'men' having -any- input on abortion.
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    The Pope would disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawah View Post
    LOL at 'men' having -any- input on abortion.

    BTW, are you sure on the average height of women?

    Without any input there would be no conception?

    Here is the problem I see with a blanket statement like that. A woman can choose to abort a pregnancy or not understandably (although I personally don't like abortion, I have no constitutional right to stop you) but a woman can also choose to have a baby against the fathers will and force him into a system that can keep him broke and not allow him to choose his own path in life, especially when the father is a young man.

    I encourage all young men to use protection, but there are plenty of women who will simply have a baby for money, entrapment etc. and they will lie about being on the pill or what ever protection available to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawah View Post
    LOL at 'men' having -any- input on abortion.

    BTW, are you sure on the average height of women?
    Holy crapolah! Here is where I got my numbers, well, off the top of my head from something I reade some time ago. You are right about the average height, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by georg jetson View Post
    So if there were no men, there would still be abortions?
    The world would definitely be a less...*choosing words wisely*...ummm, exciting place to live!
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilProGuy View Post
    Agree with him or not, the man has convictions about the sanctity of human life in the midst of a society where most everything is "disposable" if it becomes inconvenient.
    Yes, he does have convictions.

    With regard to the disposing of an underdeveloped fetus, I have met no woman that has had an abortion that considered the abortion a light matter. Some religious types would have the world believe that there are nazi-feminist (limbaugh) out there just frothing at the mouth to abort their next conception as late as they can legally abort the child.

    If a man wants to know what it feels like emotionally to have an abortion then all he needs to do is ask a female who has had one. Abortion is not taken lightly.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    What did people expect? Of course all the "mainstream" Republican candidates are going to self-immolate.

    When the only candidates that are getting any sort of positive coverage are all idiots, sociopaths and wackjobs, and the ONLY candidate who is honorable, Constitutional, and concerned with Liberty gets a constant cold shoulder (and the only time the media mentions him is to demonize and marginalize him), what did you EXPECT would happen.

    Turn off your TV. Stop listening to the Mushroom Media. Stop watching the campaign ads.

    Vote for the candidate with a voting record that aligns with your interests and concerns...

    We have one candidate who was the Governor of Massachusetts--with perhaps some of the most draconian gun-control laws in the East.

    We have another candidate who's wife had an abortion to "save her life", but insists that their abortion is somehow "different" and wants to prevent anyone else from doing the same thing, for the same reasons.

    We have a third candidate who supports de-industrialization, globalism, and is a documented philanderer, fornicator and adulterer.

    And then there is this guy who is a medical doctor, has a PERFECT voting record with regards to the Constitution, and is just an all-around good guy. Sure, he's not sexy-looking. Sure, he may not be a fantastic orator. Sure, his hair and suits aren't Ken-doll perfect. But he won't lie to us, he supports 100% of the Constitution, 100% of the time and he knows more about "economics" and how the financial system REALLY works than the average Federal Reserve Chairman.

    Vote for whomever you want.

    Personally, I'm voting for the ONLY Republican candidate who isn't a proven, documented scumbag...


    Ron Paul 2012
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    I agree that Paul should get more attention but that is of his own making, IMO. As I stated on a number of occasions: Paul MUST run third party! If he don't then he is not viable.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I agree that Paul should get more attention but that is of his own making, IMO. As I stated on a number of occasions: Paul MUST run third party! If he don't then he is not viable.

    I would expect you of all people to not blame the victim...


    Unless Ron Paul owns a major media network, I can't see how his lack of coverage is his fault at all. He has the most vocal and fired-up supporters of ANY candidate. There arae more RP signs, banners and bumper stickers in circulation the other three candidates combined. His online presence and use of alternative media outlets and social media is light-years ahead of the other candidates.

    RP's lack of coverage is certainly NOT because of his campaigns lack of trying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    The world would definitely be a less...*choosing words wisely*...ummm, exciting place to live!
    Don't be silly, conflict, fighting, and murder would not be affected long term. Of course there would be the down side of not having us around to blame for everything.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    I am strongly anti-abortion; I believe life starts at conception. But when we allow the Federal Government the power to legislate morality across the country, we slip into very dangerous territory, and it puts all of our rights at risk.

    Have no doubt, Santorum absolutely would use his position as President to enforce his views of what is right and wrong on the rest of us, and that opens the door for the next guy; whom you might not agree with so much.
    I don't understand these positions some people have. You are against abortion because you feel that life starts at conception, so abortion is taking another's life, correct?

    But you believe that the government has no place legislating abortions, because you feel as though it's a moral issue. Correct?

    If this is the case, then should the government also have no place legislating taking a life, be it whether the individual had been born or not?
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    I believe the decision, and thus the power, should be returned to the states. Some states have the death penalty, others don't.

    Would I like abortion to never happen again? Absolutely! Do I think the Federal government is the way to achieve that goal? Absolutely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    I believe the decision, and thus the power, should be returned to the states. Some states have the death penalty, others don't.

    Would I like abortion to never happen again? Absolutely! Do I think the Federal government is the way to achieve that goal? Absolutely not.
    So it's a states vs fed issue and not an abortion should be legal issue?

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    As much as I would like abortion to be illegal, I can't and don't expect it's an issue everyone will ever agree on, and I don't think it's appropriate for me to push my moral, ethical and religious beliefs on every person living in this country. If it is an issue left up to the states, I can choose to live in a state that aligns with my personal views (such as one that outlaws abortion), just as those on the opposite side can live in states that align with theirs.

    Is that a perfect answer? No. But it's the best way I've found to meld my personal morality and love of liberty.
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    Life starts at conception. To terminate a pregnancy is to terminate a human life.

    I feel that getting pregnant from rape is awful, just an awful terrible no good probably worst situation you could EVER be in.

    I also feel that taking a human life is awful, just an awful terrible no good situation, especially when the child had nothing to do with it.

    ^ Either outcome is a ******* shame.

    This also crosses my mind; who are the majority of people getting abortions? How many kids don't have homes now? How many of these would have been aborted kids are going to grow up and leech off the welfare system that I have to pay for for the rest of their lives?

    I don't really like thinking about it. If my wife was raped and became pregnant...I don't even know how to respond to that. I don't think there is a perfect answer right now.

    Here's what I do know, I don't want my tax dollars funding anyone's abortions. I think I read some statistics online a while ago that showed abortions for rape/incest being under 1% of all abortions, but don't quote me on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schlitz View Post
    SNIP I think I read some statistics online a while ago that showed abortions for rape/incest being under 1% of all abortions, but don't quote me on that.
    This article with appropriate cites seems to back up this claim.

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
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