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    Government confiscates Guns from Doomsday Prepper

    The State believed he was a danger to himself after a local doctor insisted that Mr. Sarti was suicidal.


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    So....
    Sleeping pills,
    Alcohol
    Belts, rope
    Rat poison, insect poison, radiator coolant
    Enclosed car and a garden hose
    Plastic bags, tape, zip ties,
    Access to bridges and overpasses
    Razor blades, broken glass, and other sharp objects
    Household electricity
    Bathtubs and other bodies of water.... those are all cool, right?


    Or did they confiscate or deny access to those as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallschirmjäger View Post
    So....
    Sleeping pills,
    Alcohol
    Belts, rope
    Rat poison, insect poison, radiator coolant
    Enclosed car and a garden hose
    Plastic bags, tape, zip ties,
    Access to bridges and overpasses
    Razor blades, broken glass, and other sharp objects
    Household electricity
    Bathtubs and other bodies of water.... those are all cool, right?


    Or did they confiscate or deny access to those as well?
    I am no expert, but I think that if you're killed with a firearm then you're dead.

    I am not going to commit suicide, but if I did I would much rather go out with pills and alcohol than with a gun.

    It does seem like everyone thinks that "preppers" are crazy. But why would they not believe this? The people that seem 100% normal, but still prep, never end up in the limelight. I see the government overstepping their bounds all the time. So what if this guy was going to commit suicide? That is his business. As long as he wasn't a threat to anyone else (who wasn't a threat to him) then he should never have been messed with.
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    The gun confiscation has little to do with stopping suicide and everything to do with that 68' law that lists someone committed to a mental health clinic or some such bs as a prohibited person from buying or owning a firearm that is part of interstate commerce. And maybe state laws that are similar but go beyond ATF taxed firearms.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    "Mr. Sarti denies the charges and insists that he told the doctor he was a Christian and his belief made it impossible for him to commit suicide."
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    I just heard on the radio the government encouraging me to prepare a plan and supplies for emergency/disaster situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    I just heard on the radio the government encouraging me to prepare a plan and supplies for emergency/disaster situations.
    Entrapment?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Entrapment?
    I wondered the same thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    I just heard on the radio the government encouraging me to prepare a plan and supplies for emergency/disaster situations.
    Just not guns and ammo supplies!
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    Just not guns and ammo supplies!
    Or food or water. They want to practice bending over for when they come door to door to have their way with you.

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    They use disasters as a way to create more draconian legislation, and as shown with hurricane Katrina, a reason to disarm Americans. This is without making mention of the people who tried to flee N.O. but were shot at by "law enforcement".

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    Wouldn't appearing on a TV show about how you are a "prepper" be a total fail at prepping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Wouldn't appearing on a TV show about how you are a "prepper" be a total fail at prepping?
    Not a total fail. You'll still have your supplies until someone takes them away from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Wouldn't appearing on a TV show about how you are a "prepper" be a total fail at prepping?
    No. But letting a doctor and police trick you into becoming a prohibited person and not knowing how to still have firearms (unless the state has other prohibitions) is a total fail at prepping.
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Being prepared is MUCH smarter than being taken by surprise! Some folks can't seem to grasp that concept though. Pax...
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    It is my personal policy not to advertise my preparedness. Yes, we all have that little bug out bag in the closet, but I don't want to be perceived as an "after the zombies come" shopping center for those who did not prepare. And the fact that "survivalists" get a bad rap...........like pit bulls do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    It is my personal policy not to advertise my preparedness.
    I didn't say anything about "advertising" the fact, just that it was better (i.e. - a good policy) than being caught unprepared. And I agree that the "survivalists" have gotten a bad rap, but they are probably the best prepared of us all, for whatever disaster may come down the pike at them (and, I also believe that a significant number of them have gone a bit overboard). But... if TSHTF, they will all fare much better than "Joe Average" - who is totally unprepared. I would guess - and it is purely a guess - that 65-70% of the population has made no preparations at all, 20-25% are somewhat prepared for short-term (2 weeks tops) interruptions to their normal way of life, 10% are prepared for reasonably long-term (30-90 days) interruptions to their normal way of life, and 5% are ready for the "Doomsday Scenario" (90 days until it ends). Locally the preparedness (as in food storage) is much higher than the 30-35% of those who are "prepared", and I would assume that most Utahans also have "stored" the necessary means to insure they can retain that food which they have stored. I wouldn't hazard a guess about "bug-out bags", but my opinion is that Utahans are relatively "territorial". Therefore, I see them as less likely than many folks to take to the hills (but, if they did choose to bug-out, we have a LOT of awesome hills and mountains to take to) even though bugging out seems to be preferred to being 'trapped' in the city. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD9mmFMJ View Post
    This is without making mention of the people who tried to flee N.O. but were shot at by "law enforcement".
    This is the first I've heard about this. Do you have a cite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .40S&W View Post
    This is the first I've heard about this. Do you have a cite?
    Search news articles for "new orleans police katrina murders".
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD9mmFMJ View Post
    They use disasters as a way to create more draconian legislation, and as shown with hurricane Katrina, a reason to disarm Americans. ".
    In the case of Katrina, the mayor of New Orleans took it upon himself to disarm the remaining citizens... apparently door to door. However, because of this and disarmament occurrences in other parishes, we the people put pressure on our state government and Gov Bobby Gindal signed the following into law which amends the statute with regards to a state of emergency.

    Find the complete statute here- http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=78434

    H.(1) Nothing in this Section shall authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition except as provided in Paragraph (2) of this Subsection.

    (2) A peace officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's official duties may disarm an individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual. The peace officer shall return the firearm to the individual before discharging that individual unless the officer arrests that individual for engaging in criminal activity, or seizes the firearm as evidence pursuant to an investigation for the commission of a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by XD9mmFMJ View Post
    This is without making mention of the people who tried to flee N.O. but were shot at by "law enforcement".
    I don't think they we're trying to leave... not sure.

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    David Sarti seems quite level-headed. His doctor is apparently a flaming idiot. I had a doctor like that during the last few years in the military.

    I fired him. That's difficult to do when the doctor outranks you, but I simply refused, in writing, any and all care if he were involved in the care.

    Now, I'm retired! He's still an idiot.
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