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What has changed with State Law regarding Pistol Purchase Permits

SemperFi7

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In October 2008 and again in October of 2009 I obtained pistol purchase permits from the City of Grand Rapids PD. I took the test, did the paperwork, had them run the background check, and in each case 15-20 minutes later I was issued the purchase permit on the spot.

Last week I attempted to obtain one at the same PD from the exact same lady that helped the last two times and about 15 minutes into the process she says " I know we have issued pistol purchase permits before, but some things have changed and your record shows some arrests without anymore notes and that has to be reviewed which normally takes 3-5 days, but my supervisor is out so it will take longer than 5 days." she gave me a phone number and reference number to call back to check the status. I asked if the arrests were from 1991 and she confirmed that they were from 1991 and 1992 which I let her know were arrests for what was a minor in possession of Alcohol and I believe it was a civil infraction not even a misdeamonor. She apologized but said that I had to call back.

I am wondering if this is a change in State Law or with the Police Department Policy. Is anybody aware of any changes in State law in this regard since October of 2009? you would think that under Snyder policy would be more friendly towards gun owner rights.

Also, since I haven't kept up with changes to Open Carry Legislation since I researched a few years ago, has there been any changes that I should be aware when I open carry? I still open carry occasionally and have never had any problems but I would hate to find out it was outlawed by a cop when I am in the back of his Patrol Car.
 

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The only bills that have seen any movement recently were SB 760-762 which if they do not pass remove ZERO rights from anybody, if they do pass ALL CPL holders will lose.
If you remember the threads on that subject, many who claim to be for gun rights (including yourself) supported that bill, so could it be that the governor is seeing that gun owners are in favor of CPL holders losing rights and giving them what he thinks they want?
 

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The only bills that have seen any movement recently were SB 760-762 which if they do not pass remove ZERO rights from anybody, if they do pass ALL CPL holders will lose.
If you remember the threads on that subject, many who claim to be for gun rights (including yourself) supported that bill, so could it be that the governor is seeing that gun owners are in favor of CPL holders losing rights and giving them what he thinks they want?

your obsession with me is getting a little creepy and you need to stop. i disagree with you on 1 bill so you follow me around in threads and bash me? all i ever do is try to help people that have questions and participate in the discussions. if you can't handle the fact that i have a different opinion than you on 1 bill then that's your problem.

I support full constitutional carry with no pfz's, no background checks, no registration, full auto legal to anyone with no NFA paperwork BS, and the repeal of almost every gun law currently on the books, so to say i support taking away gun rights either means you are delusional, or you have a completely different definition of gun rights than me. either way i don't care, just leave me alone and do your own thing like an adult.
 

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so to say i support taking away gun rights either means you are delusional, or you have a completely different definition of gun rights than me.
Would you like I should quote you saying you are FOR SB 760-762? Those bills remove rights from CPL holders. So lets recap; the bills remove rights, you support the bills, so that equals?
I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that. If a person can do something one day then they can not the next does that not mean they lost something?

Now in this thread you say "the governor hasn't done jack for gun rights", am I wrong when I say he might think he is doing what you want?
 

Glock9mmOldStyle

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Can't we all just get along? Minus some debate, are we not all for civil rights/freedom? Just saying....
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PS - feeding on one another makes about as much sense as the lines of gibberish typed above by my three year old :eek:
 

alphamale

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Snyder is my observation is a Corporate Socialist and far from a Conservative or Constitutionalists. And socialists are far from Gun rights advocates or pro constitution. yes they may pay lip service to get your vote or support. but that's about all you will see from them.

If he is pro gun he better man up and put his actions where his mouth is because I will support any reasonable candidate who wishes to remove him from office. I am tired of all mouth no action politicians like Romney the socialist.

Too bad we don't have a Ted Nugent mentality running for the state of Michigan in the next election.

As far as the accusations maybe one should prove their case with actual quotes and not just accusations. But on the other hand why attack someone for no reason Super trucker?
 
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alphamale

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Good point.

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PS - feeding on one another makes about as much sense as the lines of gibberish typed above by my three year old :eek:
 

alphamale

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I think you are being way too kind to them. I could describe Grand rapids PD from what I know, but I can't use that king of language on this site, and mind you I have never been arrested, or even got a ticket.


GRPD are fascists. Plain and simple.
 

Super Trucker

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Snyder is my observation is a Corporate Socialist and far from a Conservative or Constitutionalists. And socialists are far from Gun rights advocates or pro constitution. yes they may pay lip service to get your vote or support. but that's about all you will see from them.

If he is pro gun he better man up and put his actions where his mouth is because I will support any reasonable candidate who wishes to remove him from office. I am tired of all mouth no action politicians like Romney the socialist.

Too bad we don't have a Ted Nugent mentality running for the state of Michigan in the next election.

As far as the accusations maybe one should prove their case with actual quotes and not just accusations. But on the other hand why attack someone for no reason Super trucker?


Actual quotes sent in via pm.
 
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detroit_fan

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But on the other hand why attack someone for no reason Super trucker?

because i dared to disagree with him on 1 bill. a bill that would eliminate a whole class of weapons from registration. a bill that would put us in line with federal definitions. a bill that would allow people in this state to purchase more weapons without a permission slip. he completely overlooks the fact that i also said i support allowing loaded long gun carry (to anyone, not just special people like him with a cpl) to help offset anything we would lose from that bill.

i was also one of many that supported that bill, but for some reason he only feels the need to be obsessed with me and it's creeping me out. one would think an adult could have a disagreement with someone just let it go instead of following him around in threads and bashing him but i guess not.
 

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because i dared to disagree with him on 1 bill. a bill that would eliminate a whole class of weapons from registration. a bill that would put us in line with federal definitions. a bill that would allow people in this state to purchase more weapons without a permission slip. he completely overlooks the fact that i also said i support allowing loaded long gun carry (to anyone, not just special people like him with a cpl) to help offset anything we would lose from that bill.

i was also one of many that supported that bill, but for some reason he only feels the need to be obsessed with me and it's creeping me out. one would think an adult could have a disagreement with someone just let it go instead of following him around in threads and bashing him but i guess not.

I've gone through this crap with him too. Personally I think he's more antigun than many on here. He's against constitutional carry, he's against an idea I had to create a second class of carry permit that would make it easier for people to carry (similar to how North Dakota has a class 1 and class 2 permit), and he seems to think people need to have a "need" to get a CPL. I wish he would grow up too and stop making a federal case because someone doesn't agree with him 100%.
 

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Xmanhockey
Please explain how I am Antigun because I do not want to give up any of my rights? I am dieing to know. You and detroitfan think I should be happy about losing a right I currently have so others can gain rights. That is just stupid. Nowhere do I recall saying anything about taking away current rights, please show me where since you think I did. You and detroitfan have done that though.
 

Super Trucker

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Maybe I should record what I am saying. I couldn't care anyless if either of you agree with me, but when you try to take away my rights I take that very personal.
 

Haman J.T.

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Snyder is my observation is a Corporate Socialist and far from a Conservative or Constitutionalists. And socialists are far from Gun rights advocates or pro constitution. yes they may pay lip service to get your vote or support. but that's about all you will see from them.

If he is pro gun he better man up and put his actions where his mouth is because I will support any reasonable candidate who wishes to remove him from office. I am tired of all mouth no action politicians like Romney the socialist.

Too bad we don't have a Ted Nugent mentality running for the state of Michigan in the next election.

As far as the accusations maybe one should prove their case with actual quotes and not just accusations. But on the other hand why attack someone for no reason Super trucker?
The legislature has to put a Bill on Snyders desk before we can determine if he is pro-2A,as he said he is!His actions will provide us with the facts only after he's presented with something to sign!CARRY ON!
 
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