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    Best PRO GUN State?

    I live in Florida. We do not have OC but I think, as a whole, our gun rights are pretty good. I say this for reasons like the Castle doctrine, We can stand our ground and dont have to flee, we can also come to the aid of others in a forcible felony. I see other states who have OC yet seem to have a Tougher stance with other restrictions. Am I wrong on this? What is the best Pro Gun State?

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    and yes I am aware of the few exceptions florida has with OC. We can go to and from Hiking Fishing camping and shooting ranges while OCing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanieltheAnvil View Post
    I live in Florida. We do not have OC but I think, as a whole, our gun rights are pretty good. I say this for reasons like the Castle doctrine, We can stand our ground and dont have to flee, we can also come to the aid of others in a forcible felony. I see other states who have OC yet seem to have a Tougher stance with other restrictions. Am I wrong on this? What is the best Pro Gun State?
    Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming all have various forms of Constitutional carry, with optional permits to get around a few arbitrary state and federal restrictions. Vermont is good, but does not have the optional permits, thus you can not bypass some area restrictions. Most states west of Texas/Nebraska are good (California and Hawaii being the obvious exception).
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    Missouri: OC is a right (can be banned at the municipal level....working on that), CCW with a permit. Strong castle/stand your ground. Our constitution and statutes make it a crime not to come to the aid of the 'civil power' when called upon to do so. Pretty good, could be better.
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    Might I suggest that there ought to be additional factors besides constitutional carry, castle doctrine, stand your ground, and coming to the aid of others in a forcible felony. Most of those are, in fact, available to most OCers either through statute or common law.

    I suggest you also look at how LEA/LEO react to OC, and how the courts deal with OCers. While there will always be cases of LEA/LEO opposition, both the civil and criminal courts can strongly influence how that opposition is expressed. By my count there are 26 states that do not require a permission slip to OC, which means that LEA/LEO must go out of their way to create a hostile atmosphere.

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    Ind has great gun laws. Very limited on where you can carry. You do need a permit/lisc tho, which is easy to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogeater f6 View Post
    Ind has great gun laws. Very limited on where you can carry. You do need a permit/lisc tho, which is easy to get.
    This would make Indiana NOT too friendly to carrying.
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    skidmark said Might I suggest that there ought to be additional factors besides constitutional carry, castle doctrine, stand your ground, and coming to the aid of others in a forcible felony. Most of those are, in fact, available to most OCers either through statute or common law.

    YES YES.... a great deal of us only look at the minimums. I would also look at how the locals look at OC. Washington State is a positive area. We do have some LEO problems, but we are working on that. We need a CPL to conceal and to have a loaded weapon in a vehicle. State constitution preempts ALL other weapon laws. Little towns cannot make a law stronger than the state so the law is homogeneous.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Kentucky is easily in the top.

    Concealed deadly weapon permits are SUPER easy to get and they allow you to conceal any deadly weapon with no restrictions on the state level.
    Open carry is a right protected by the constitution and various KRSs.
    Preemptive law at the state level.
    Minimum age is 18 to own both handguns and long guns
    No registration/permit to own any gun (apart of NFA guns)
    Castle Doctrine + Stand your ground
    No civil liability if you're proven justified in using deadly force.
    A statute that prohibits anyone from illegally taking your guns with no mention that LEOs can for "officer safety".
    Justified in using a firearm to stop a felony against you or another.
    Cops for the most part leave you alone
    Very few "No guns" signs and the don't even have the weight of law.
    Very few restriction on OC and just a little bit more on CC.

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    Virginia is in the top ten I think. You can OC basically anywhere. If you want a permit, it's a shall issue state. Permits remove a couple of restrictions. There's statewide pre-emption. And any negative encounters with the police (very few) typically end up with the citizen getting an undisclosed sum of money. The #1 thing is that Virginia has been getting constantly better over the last several years.
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    New Hampshire has few gun laws. They do require a permit to conceal a loaded handgun, but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanieltheAnvil View Post
    I live in Florida.
    Florida is pretty good, but their location set isn't the best. Some of the banned locations (parades?) are downright bizarre.

    I would argue that location set is a hidden issue in the carry wars.
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    Haha! It's rare that I'm happy to be in last place, but in this case I'll take it! It's an honor to share last place with Arizona and Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavalryman View Post
    Haha! It's rare that I'm happy to be in last place, but in this case I'll take it! It's an honor to share last place with Arizona and Utah.
    Kentucky is about to get down to 0 (I hope, with constitutional carry).
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    If you have to get a permit to carry you are exercising
    privileges from the Corporate Government not a right.
    A right cannot be licensed.
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    Tennessee isn't horrid, but not the greatest, either.

    While getting a permit (needed for CC or OC) is fairly easy, it is one of the more expensive ones in the country ($115 for 4 years + training). Most police in TN won't hassle someone for OC, but it is still statutorily illegal to have a firearm in your possession [39-17-1307], but there are numerous defenses [39-17-1308] including being in your home [39-17-1308(a)(3)(A)].


    We still have a lot of work here, but at least we aren't CA, NY, IL, or HI.

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    WTF!!! MY STATE HAS A STAR!?
    Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch00 View Post
    If you have to get a permit to carry you are exercising
    privileges from the Corporate Government not a right.
    A right cannot be licensed.
    Who are you directing this to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCrawford View Post
    Tennessee isn't horrid, but not the greatest, either.

    While getting a permit (needed for CC or OC) is fairly easy, it is one of the more expensive ones in the country ($115 for 4 years + training). Most police in TN won't hassle someone for OC, but it is still statutorily illegal to have a firearm in your possession [39-17-1307], but there are numerous defenses [39-17-1308] including being in your home [39-17-1308(a)(3)(A)].


    We still have a lot of work here, but at least we aren't CA, NY, IL, or HI.
    Let me get this straight. Do I have to have a carry permit to go to a farm and do farm work while armed?
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    MI - (Cities) are slowly finding that they must obey the MI. Constitution (Article 1 Section 6) and the 2A. That said, we have a long way to go. I have not traveled much in recent years but the best state I've been to is Virginia by far. Not visiting the others talked on above, I cannot comment on them; although I have never heard a bad word yet about AZ & 2A issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Let me get this straight. Do I have to have a carry permit to go to a farm and do farm work while armed?
    The answer to that would be a definite "Maybe". Here is the complete list of defenses in the Tennessee Code.

    39-17-1308. Defenses to unlawful possession or carrying of a weapon.

    (a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was:

    (1) Of an unloaded rifle, shotgun or handgun not concealed on or about the person and the ammunition for the weapon was not in the immediate vicinity of the person or weapon;

    (2) By a person authorized to possess or carry a firearm pursuant to § 39-17-1315 or § 39-17-1351;

    (3) At the person's:

    (A) Place of residence;

    (B) Place of business; or

    (C) Premises;

    (4) Incident to lawful hunting, trapping, fishing, camping, sport shooting or other lawful activity;

    (5) By a person possessing a rifle or shotgun while engaged in the lawful protection of livestock from predatory animals;

    (6) By a Tennessee valley authority officer who holds a valid commission from the commissioner of safety pursuant to this part while the officer is in the performance of the officer's official duties;

    (7) By a state, county or municipal judge or any federal judge or any federal or county magistrate;

    (8) By a person possessing a club or baton who holds a valid state security guard/officer registration card as a private security guard/officer, issued by the commissioner, and who also has certification that the officer has had training in the use of club or baton that is valid and issued by a person certified to give training in the use of clubs or batons;

    (9) By any person possessing a club or baton who holds a certificate that the person has had training in the use of a club or baton for self-defense that is valid and issued by a certified person authorized to give training in the use of clubs or batons, and is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm under any local, state or federal laws; or

    (10) By any out-of-state, full-time, commissioned law enforcement officer who holds a valid commission card from the appropriate out-of-state law enforcement agency and a photo identification; provided, that if no valid commission card and photo identification are retained, then it shall be unlawful for that officer to carry firearms in this state and the provisions of this section shall not apply. The defense provided by this subdivision (a)(10) shall only be applicable if the state where the out-of-state officer is employed has entered into a reciprocity agreement with this state that allows a full-time, commissioned law enforcement officer in Tennessee to lawfully carry or possess a weapon in the other state.

    (b) The defenses described in this section are not available to persons described in § 39-17-1307(b)(1).
    IANAL, but I would assume that (3), (4), or (5) could be applicable and not require you to have a permit as detailed in (2) [39-17-1351 is the permit, 39-17-1315 deals with LEOs].

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    Oh, heck. Everyone knows that when an organization like the Brady Campaign holds the card upside down it's simply because they can't read.

    Here's the card in it's proper, right-side up position:

    Rank State Hits
    T*1 UTAH 0
    T*1 ARIZONA 0
    T*1 ALASKA 0
    T-4 OKLAHOMA 2
    T-4 NORTH*DAKOTA 2
    T-4 MONTANA 2
    T-4 LOUISIANA 2
    T-4 KENTUCKY 2
    T-4 IDAHO 2
    T*10 WISCONSIN 3
    T-10 FLORIDA 3
    T-12 WYOMING 4
    T-12 WEST*VIRGINIA 4
    T-12 TEXAS 4
    T-12 SOUTH*DAKOTA 4
    T-12 NEW*MEXICO 4
    T-12 MISSOURI 4
    T-12 MISSISSIPPI 4
    T-12 KANSAS 4
    T-12 INDIANA 4
    T-12 ARKANSAS 4
    T-22 NEVADA 5
    T-22 NEBRASKA 5
    T-24 VERMONT 6
    T-24 NEW*HAMPSHIRE 6
    T-26 OHIO 7
    T-26 MAINE 7
    T-26 IOWA 7
    T-29 TENNESSEE 8
    T-29 SOUTH*CAROLINA 8
    T-29 GEORGIA 8
    32 VIRGINIA 12
    33 DELAWARE 13
    T-34 MINNESOTA 14
    T-34 ALABAMA 14
    T-36 WASHINGTON 15
    T-36 OREGON* 15
    T-36 COLORADO 15
    39 NORTH*CAROLINA 16
    40 MICHIGAN 25
    41 PENNSYLVANIA 26
    42 ILLINOIS 35
    43 RHODE*ISLAND 44
    44 MARYLAND 45
    45 HAWAII 50
    46 CONNECTICUT 58
    47 NEW YORK 62
    48 MASSACHUSETTS 65
    49 NEW*JERSEY 72
    50 CALIFORNIA 81
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    ; ) that is why I thought it was relevant to this thread. I display it proudly because my state ranks up there with the best. And we're trying to get the two points we do have removed. We have 2 points because "we allow" colleges/universities to "control" firearms on campus. So we can either get rid of that or pass constitutional carry (in committee) to get down to 0.
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    Most of the northwestern/western states are relatively OC friendly. And, when it comes to CC, most are "shall/must issue" (except Hawaii and California). Pax...
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