Best PRO GUN State?

MI - (Cities) are slowly finding that they must obey the MI. Constitution (Article 1 Section 6) and the 2A. That said, we have a long way to go. I have not traveled much in recent years but the best state I've been to is Virginia by far. Not visiting the others talked on above, I cannot comment on them; although I have never heard a bad word yet about AZ & 2A issues.

09jisaac said:

Let me get this straight. Do I have to have a carry permit to go to a farm and do farm work while armed?

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The answer to that would be a definite "Maybe". Here is the complete list of defenses in the Tennessee Code.

39-17-1308. Defenses to unlawful possession or carrying of a weapon.

(a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was:

(1) Of an unloaded rifle, shotgun or handgun not concealed on or about the person and the ammunition for the weapon was not in the immediate vicinity of the person or weapon;

(2) By a person authorized to possess or carry a firearm pursuant to § 39-17-1315 or § 39-17-1351;

(3) At the person's:

(A) Place of residence;

(B) Place of business; or

(C) Premises;

(4) Incident to lawful hunting, trapping, fishing, camping, sport shooting or other lawful activity;

(5) By a person possessing a rifle or shotgun while engaged in the lawful protection of livestock from predatory animals;

(6) By a Tennessee valley authority officer who holds a valid commission from the commissioner of safety pursuant to this part while the officer is in the performance of the officer's official duties;

(7) By a state, county or municipal judge or any federal judge or any federal or county magistrate;

(8) By a person possessing a club or baton who holds a valid state security guard/officer registration card as a private security guard/officer, issued by the commissioner, and who also has certification that the officer has had training in the use of club or baton that is valid and issued by a person certified to give training in the use of clubs or batons;

(9) By any person possessing a club or baton who holds a certificate that the person has had training in the use of a club or baton for self-defense that is valid and issued by a certified person authorized to give training in the use of clubs or batons, and is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm under any local, state or federal laws; or

(10) By any out-of-state, full-time, commissioned law enforcement officer who holds a valid commission card from the appropriate out-of-state law enforcement agency and a photo identification; provided, that if no valid commission card and photo identification are retained, then it shall be unlawful for that officer to carry firearms in this state and the provisions of this section shall not apply. The defense provided by this subdivision (a)(10) shall only be applicable if the state where the out-of-state officer is employed has entered into a reciprocity agreement with this state that allows a full-time, commissioned law enforcement officer in Tennessee to lawfully carry or possess a weapon in the other state.

(b) The defenses described in this section are not available to persons described in § 39-17-1307(b)(1).

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IANAL, but I would assume that (3), (4), or (5) could be applicable and not require you to have a permit as detailed in (2) [39-17-1351 is the permit, 39-17-1315 deals with LEOs].

09jisaac said:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare...1_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

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Oh, heck. Everyone knows that when an organization like the Brady Campaign holds the card upside down it's simply because they can't read.

Here's the card in it's proper, right-side up position:

Rank State Hits
T*1 UTAH 0
T*1 ARIZONA 0
T*1 ALASKA 0
T-4 OKLAHOMA 2
T-4 NORTH*DAKOTA 2
T-4 MONTANA 2
T-4 LOUISIANA 2
T-4 KENTUCKY 2
T-4 IDAHO 2
T*10 WISCONSIN 3
T-10 FLORIDA 3
T-12 WYOMING 4
T-12 WEST*VIRGINIA 4
T-12 TEXAS 4
T-12 SOUTH*DAKOTA 4
T-12 NEW*MEXICO 4
T-12 MISSOURI 4
T-12 MISSISSIPPI 4
T-12 KANSAS 4
T-12 INDIANA 4
T-12 ARKANSAS 4
T-22 NEVADA 5
T-22 NEBRASKA 5
T-24 VERMONT 6
T-24 NEW*HAMPSHIRE 6
T-26 OHIO 7
T-26 MAINE 7
T-26 IOWA 7
T-29 TENNESSEE 8
T-29 SOUTH*CAROLINA 8
T-29 GEORGIA 8
32 VIRGINIA 12
33 DELAWARE 13
T-34 MINNESOTA 14
T-34 ALABAMA 14
T-36 WASHINGTON 15
T-36 OREGON* 15
T-36 COLORADO 15
39 NORTH*CAROLINA 16
40 MICHIGAN 25
41 PENNSYLVANIA 26
42 ILLINOIS 35
43 RHODE*ISLAND 44
44 MARYLAND 45
45 HAWAII 50
46 CONNECTICUT 58
47 NEW YORK 62
48 MASSACHUSETTS 65
49 NEW*JERSEY 72
50 CALIFORNIA 81

; ) that is why I thought it was relevant to this thread. I display it proudly because my state ranks up there with the best. And we're trying to get the two points we do have removed. We have 2 points because "we allow" colleges/universities to "control" firearms on campus. So we can either get rid of that or pass constitutional carry (in committee) to get down to 0.

Most of the northwestern/western states are relatively OC friendly. And, when it comes to CC, most are "shall/must issue" (except Hawaii and California). Pax...

Most of the "points" awarded??? to WA by the Brady bunch have to do with how we treat FFL's not the people that actually carry,

WA (ID and OR too) are pretty OC friendly because we have been OC forever, no license required. Some of the city PDs have officers that did not come from our state, and they may need to be trained, but I have OC'd for over 40 years in WA and have had one "encounter" with a Sheriff's deputy, consisted of 2 words...(Him "hunting" me "Yep"). If you are in the city you may get slightly different milage, but for the most part you will not be hasseled...I haven't even been asked for my CPL at a traffic stop when the officer could plainly see my carry. Not bad for carrying here since July 1970. Been in Banks, churches, county offices,,,

Another thing is, how many places are "off-limits"..in WA, not many...how many of your states allow unlicensed OC into the state capitol building? while it is in session... or you local county commisioners hearing room? Any park, NF, SF, stadium, convention center etc...etc. and local government cannot restrict OC or CC any more than the state has allowed...not much...

We cannot carry into a "21 and over only" bar, but we can carry into, and have a beer if we want, any retaurant that serves. If it is not restricted to 21 and over, you can carry there..including liquor stores.

Oh yes, wanted to add, we can also carry, OC or CC, without license, if we are enguaged in an "outdoor recreational activity" or going to and from such activity.

Colorado's status has changed significantly with the CO Supreme Court now clearing the way for permitted concealed carry on all State campuses. That should be worth at least 13 points on the Brady stupidity scale = a score of 2 - in OUR book.

I want Colorado to recognize other states chl's

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Montana Not Bad

Montana has some pretty good laws where our Second Amendment is concerned, although always room for improvement and we're working diligently on that.

Rather than type it all out here, I'm pasting text from what "MT Fisherman" posted in the Montana forum. It's a good overview.

Open Carry

Montana is an open carry state. That means that most anyone who can legally own a firearm can carry it unconcealed anywhere in Montana with only a few exceptions like schools and federal buildings. Montana expressly permits drawing or presenting a weapon to an aggressor threatening bodily harm. MCA 45-3-111 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/3/45-3-111.htm

Localities are substantially preempted, but have limited power to prevent and suppress the carrying of concealed or unconcealed weapons to a public assembly, publicly owned building, park under its jurisdiction, or schools. MCA 45-8-351 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-351.htm

You only need to be 14 years old to open carry in Montana. If a minor under 14 wishes to open carry they must be accompanied by an adult who is the child’s parent or guardian or who has been authorized by the child’s guardian to supervise the child. MCA 45-8-344 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-344.htm (Federal law still applies)

Concealed Carry

The restriction on concealed carry in Montana only applies when you are within a city or town’s limits. Anyone can carry concealed in Montana without a permit when outside city or town limits, on their property or at their place of business.

MCA 45-8-316 through 45-8-317 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-316.htm states it is unlawful to carry a concealed weapon in Montana. Unless you are outside of a city or town limits, you are an LEO, you have a CCW permit or you are at your home or place of business. Also anyone who is lawfully engaged in hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, backpacking, farming, ranching, and certain other outdoor activities may carry concealed weapons. MCA 45-8-317 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-317.htm

The Montana Attorney General’s Web Site states the following: Montana has no prohibitions against carrying a weapon in a motor vehicle. http://doj.mt.gov/enforcement/concealed-weapons/

You can carry a loaded handgun or other weapon inside your vehicle, (including in the glove box or console) without any type of permit or license within cities and towns and it is not considered concealed.

You can carry a weapon in a briefcase or purse while in the cities and towns in Montana and it is not considered concealed. This is because the definition of concealed in Montana state law is: wholly or partially covered by clothing or wearing apparel MCA 45-8-315 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-315.htm

MCA 45-8-328 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-328.htm states that even with a CCW you may not carry concealed in a federal, state or local government office, in a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol or inside a bank . There is no LEO exception but LEOSA overrides this statue for qualified officers and allows them to carry concealed firearms in banks and restaurants. (However anyone is allowed to open carry in banks and bars in Montana.)

MCA 45-8-361 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-361.htm states that even with a CCW you may not carry concealed in school building (LEOs exempt)

MCA 45-8-339 http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/mca/45/8/45-8-339.htm states that even with a CCW you may not carry concealed on a train. (LEOs exempt)

National Parks in Montana are now governed by Montana state laws with regard to concealed or open carriage of weapons. However you still can not carry into federal buildings (visitor stations, ranger stations, etc. in the parks.)

There is no requirement in Montana to inform an officer who stops you that you are carrying a concealed weapon.
Knives and Other

Knives 4 inches in length or longer are considered weapons by Montana state law. Having a 4 inch folding knife in your pocket with the clip on the outside of the pocket would be considered carrying a concealed weapon. (LEOs exempt)

The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) only authorizes carrying "a concealed firearm" not knives or other weapons.

Montana has no laws whatsoever restricting chemical agents (OC) or electronic control devices (Taser).

WI is getting better, but there are things that need to be improved (stand your ground, 48 hour waiting period on handguns, removing municipalities ability to post their buildings, and GFSZ are the ones that come to mind immediately).

protias said:

WI is getting better, but there are things that need to be improved (stand your ground, 48 hour waiting period on handguns, removing municipalities ability to post their buildings, and GFSZ are the ones that come to mind immediately).

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Im confused by your post. Do you want the things in parenthesis? Because 48 hours seems to me an awfully long time to wait for something you may need.

Idaho

I nominate the great state of Idaho for a spot in the top 5.
1. There are no permits or registration for firearm ownership.
2. Open carry is constitutionally-guaranteed. Concealing on one's person does unfortunately require a permit (working on it).
3. Playing the government permission slip game gains you access to no additional places over unlicensed OC. Unlicensed OC is only statutorily prohibited from entering elementary and secondary schools; CC with permit is additionally prohibited from carrying in courthouses and jails. Unlicensed OC in banks, bars, government buildings, liquor stores, etc. is all good.
4. No permit is needed to carry any plainly visible loaded firearm in a vehicle (including long guns). No permit is needed to conceal a firearm in a vehicle outside city limits.
5. "No guns" signs do not have the force of law, not that I've ever seen one.
6. Complete firearms preemption except for universities (working on it).
7. Can use "sufficient resistance" in defense of property. (IC 19-202)
8. No legal jeopardy for defending persons against attack (IC 19-202a)
9. Non-sterile airport carry is legal.
10. Generally pro-gun, conservative legislature.
11. Generally pro-gun, reasonable police.
12. Generally reasonable state/county bureaucracies. I have called them out twice for attempting to prohibit open carry in violation of state preemption, and twice they have acquiesced without much resistance.
13. Probably a lot more that I'm forgetting at this late hour, but I'm sure I'll remember it later. Idaho is great!

I'm going to say my state pa.

Our license is only $20 and depending on your county your able to get your license on the spot or 45days at max.

We have oc w/o a license and cc with a license.

We cannot carry in federal building, courts, detention/jails but guess what we still can because all 3 of those places provide lock boxes for legally owned firearms.

Other then those 3 places, visitors and residents can carry EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE!

I'm surprised pa made it to 26 and not in the top ten, they must be judging us by our black eye (Philly)

glockluva said:

I'm going to say my state pa.

Our license is only $20 and depending on your county your able to get your license on the spot or 45days at max.

We have oc w/o a license and cc with a license.

We cannot carry in federal building, courts, detention/jails but guess what we still can because all 3 of those places provide lock boxes for legally owned firearms.

Other then those 3 places, visitors and residents can carry EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE!

I'm surprised pa made it to 26 and not in the top ten, they must be judging us by our black eye (Philly)

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OC in Philadephia with a CCW permit only, I believe.

hogeater f6 said:

Ind has great gun laws. Very limited on where you can carry. You do need a permit/lisc tho, which is easy to get.

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WHERE do you PPL get your facts from? Here is Indiana. COmpare that to Florida or Texas and tell me how limited Indiana is then:

What places are off-limits when carrying a concealed weapon in Indiana?
1. In or On School Property.
2. On a school bus
3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
4. Private School(IC 20*9.1*1*3) & (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
5. Head Start (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
6. Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7)
7. IC 35*47*9*1Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
8. On an aircraft
9. Controlled access areas of an airport
10. During annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in vehicle)
11. Shipping port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by Indiana Port Commission)
12. A riverboat Casino

vermonter said:

WHERE do you PPL get your facts from? Here is Indiana. COmpare that to Florida or Texas and tell me how limited Indiana is then:

What places are off-limits when carrying a concealed weapon in Indiana?
1. In or On School Property.
2. On a school bus
3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
4. Private School(IC 20*9.1*1*3) & (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
5. Head Start (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
6. Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7)
7. IC 35*47*9*1Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
8. On an aircraft
9. Controlled access areas of an airport
10. During annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in vehicle)
11. Shipping port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by Indiana Port Commission)
12. A riverboat Casino

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Actually, you can go on school property if you stay in your vehicle to pick up your child.

since9 said:

Oh, heck. Everyone knows that when an organization like the Brady Campaign holds the card upside down it's simply because they can't read.

Here's the card in it's proper, right-side up position:

Rank State Hits

50 CALIFORNIA 81

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Only the bad guys carry guns in CA.

thebigsd said:

Virginia is in the top ten I think. You can OC basically anywhere. If you want a permit, it's a shall issue state. Permits remove a couple of restrictions. There's statewide pre-emption. And any negative encounters with the police (very few) typically end up with the citizen getting an undisclosed sum of money. The #1 thing is that Virginia has been getting constantly better over the last several years.

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I agree...and have to give a shout out to VCDL!!!

Kentucky! Enough said!

I have always heard that overall, Kentucky is a really reasonable place to live if your pro gun.