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    Going For My CHP!

    Hello,

    I am finally going for my concealed carry permit! I will be taking my concealed class this Saturday morning, then I'm off to the Elbert County Sheriffs office to do the application, get fingerprinted, and pay my fees (more like a tax). I'm not too excited that it could take a full 90 days. I will be marking off the days on a calendar as they go by.

    OC is still going to be my preferred method of carry and I am getting the permit mainly to not worry about the 1000 foot GFZ and to CC in places where OC is prohibited (like the PDR of Denver).

    Can anybody relate their experiences with Elbert County in getting their CHP?

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    Elbert county shouldn't take long. I don't remember exactly but I believe mine was right at a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Elbert county shouldn't take long. I don't remember exactly but I believe mine was right at a month.
    How long ago did you get your permit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    How long ago did you get your permit?
    Oct 2010
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    Just went in for my renewal. Took 3 minutes at the El Paso Sheriff's office and they got me in 15 minutes early. She said renewals are running about 30 days, new about 60. The problem for new is they are booking for April now for the appointments. It took a week for the renewal appointment.
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    Hello Folks,

    My fiancee and I got our certificates! The class was very informative and we really enjoyed it. While this particular class didn't include the live fire, it was a good deal for $60. We are taking the concealed carry range class very soon where we will be firing 200 rounds each plus we will take the Advanced Carry class. We went through 3GunDynamics.com.

    It was a fun and exciting day! While I planned to go to the Sheriff's office after class, I misread their Saturday hours for CHP applications, so I will have to wait until next weekend to apply.

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    Hi, Keens - thanks for the link! I might spring for $25 and check out their Drill of the Month class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Hi, Keens - thanks for the link! I might spring for $25 and check out their Drill of the Month class.
    We plan to do the Drill of the Month too!

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    Cool, Keens.

    I don't see it out there on their calendar. If you have a date for when they're doing their DOTM and happen to remember me, post a note here for others and drop me a PM. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Cool, Keens.

    I don't see it out there on their calendar. If you have a date for when they're doing their DOTM and happen to remember me, post a note here for others and drop me a PM. Thanks!
    Thanks for catching that. I will send Jeff an email to find out the schedule for DOTM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    Thanks for catching that. I will send Jeff an email to find out the schedule for DOTM.
    I got a response from 3Gun, they are going to update their website calendar for the DOTM and usually have it the 3rd Sunday each month, weather permitting. They are looking to start in April.
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    I got the call today that my CHP is in! Took 34 days. Going tomorrow to pick it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by keens View Post
    i got the call today that my chp is in! Took 34 days. Going tomorrow to pick it up!
    congrats!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    congrats!!
    Thanks! I'm very excited and can't wait to get off work and head down there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    Thanks! I'm very excited and can't wait to get off work and head down there!
    Wow, I'm jealous.

    I had finished submitting my application just 30 minutes before you created this thread, at the ACSO. I took the same class from the same company as you. AND I'm still waiting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky256 View Post
    Wow, I'm jealous.

    I had finished submitting my application just 30 minutes before you created this thread, at the ACSO. I took the same class from the same company as you. AND I'm still waiting...
    Wow, thats pretty neat! I hope you get yours soon! What day did you take your class? I've seen some threads (can't recall which ones) on the time it took for folks to get their permits from ACSO. I'll have to search and I will PM you if I find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    Wow, thats pretty neat! I hope you get yours soon! What day did you take your class? I've seen some threads (can't recall which ones) on the time it took for folks to get their permits from ACSO. I'll have to search and I will PM you if I find them.
    Sorry for the confusion. I meant to convey that I took the same course (but at a different time) as opposed to the advanced course or any of the other classes they offer.

    I just had to reply since there were so many similarities. I too am concerned about the GFSZ as well since I live around 1800 feet from a school and had previously lived 900 from another school. The CHP just allow more flexibility in situations, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky256 View Post
    Sorry for the confusion. I meant to convey that I took the same course (but at a different time) as opposed to the advanced course or any of the other classes they offer.

    I just had to reply since there were so many similarities. I too am concerned about the GFSZ as well since I live around 1800 feet from a school and had previously lived 900 from another school. The CHP just allow more flexibility in situations, you know?
    I sent you a PM. About the GFSZ's, and that dang 1000 foot rule (which starts at the property boundary, not the building itself) I just want the peace of mind not having to worry about a school I don't know about as I go about on my daily business. I also feel that these GFSZ's overlap a lot of areas. I wonder if the permit allows OC within these boundaries? Of course not on the school property itself! But say I OC at a store 500' away from the school property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    I sent you a PM. About the GFSZ's, and that dang 1000 foot rule (which starts at the property boundary, not the building itself) I just want the peace of mind not having to worry about a school I don't know about as I go about on my daily business. I also feel that these GFSZ's overlap a lot of areas. I wonder if the permit allows OC within these boundaries? Of course not on the school property itself! But say I OC at a store 500' away from the school property?
    Howdy Amigo!
    I do it all the time! I just don't pay much attention to school zones anyhow. So far as I am concerned, if it ain't school property, it ain't none of their affair.

    I wonder about jurisdiction to start with. The GFSZ law is a federal thing, and I am unclear and possibly unconvinced that a local LEO can really make a federal case out of it. I don't think many a local LEO would dare to go down that particular rabbit hole anyhow. I could be wrong, but like I said before, I've never paid it any mind.

    Besides, if you are visiting a local store, it is private property. The school zone thing cannot usurp private property rights. Same as OC on your own property right across the street from a school.

    Using the same logic as the State of Colorado employs for preemption, it creates a patchwork of jurisdictions that one may violate with complete innocense, never knowing they're in violation. I may be taking my chances, but so far as I am concerned, my rights as a citizen of Colorado ought to preempt local ordinances based on the language of preemption itself, and serve as reasoanble defense against violation of GFSZ.

    As I said before, I don't particularly care.

    Now I will note here, I was a member of a local metal detecting club here in the Denver metro area. One day I ran into another couple of guys from the metal detecting club. They were already working school grounds that I intended to hit. During our chat, I bemoaned the GFSZ thing. To my surprise, my friend produced a small pocket pistol. His attitude was that he carries a CCW, and he was carrying concealed, and that this ultimately settled the question in his mind, so he was carrying on school property. Wow, I thought... talk about taking a chance! But he may be right for all I know.

    I don't carry on school property, but do have other weapons on my person. I just lock the handgun away in the glove box or back end of my car.

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    Well, I suppose I ain't going to worry about it. I did talk to a deputy about it, and he said if I'm on a private business property while out and about and there's a school nearby I'm ok. He looked a little skittish about OC'ers but he knows it's legal and he said he doesn't even contact them unless they are up to something (RAS). I know not to ask a LEO advise about the law, I just wanted his perspective on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Taliesin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    I sent you a PM. About the GFSZ's, and that dang 1000 foot rule (which starts at the property boundary, not the building itself) I just want the peace of mind not having to worry about a school I don't know about as I go about on my daily business. I also feel that these GFSZ's overlap a lot of areas. I wonder if the permit allows OC within these boundaries? Of course not on the school property itself! But say I OC at a store 500' away from the school property?
    Howdy Amigo!
    I do it all the time! I just don't pay much attention to school zones anyhow. So far as I am concerned, if it ain't school property, it ain't none of their affair.

    I wonder about jurisdiction to start with. The GFSZ law is a federal thing, and I am unclear and possibly unconvinced that a local LEO can really make a federal case out of it. I don't think many a local LEO would dare to go down that particular rabbit hole anyhow. I could be wrong, but like I said before, I've never paid it any mind.
    I don't think they would either, but technical, it's a violation of federal law. More importantly (dispicably), the way that federal law reads, if you ever use discharge your firearm within a GFSZ, it matters not whether you were justified by state law. It's remains a felonious violation of the federal law and would constitute grounds for denial of firearms purchases, obtaining a CHP renewal, etc.

    Personally, I feel it's a gross violation of federal powers, which is why I'm doing my level best to get the entire GFSZA repealed.

    As for overlapping zones, Keens, I calculated the number of schools here in Colorado Springs the size of the city, and the average size of the school lots, and determined all GFSZ's together occupy approximately 11% of the land area of the city as a whole. Thus, if you OC everywhere you go, you'd be in a GFSZ about 10% of the time!

    What I do to avoid trouble is check out Google Maps before I head out to a location with which I'm not familiar. I plan my parking location and walking routes so as to avoid all schools by 1,500' or more.

    Using the same logic as the State of Colorado employs for preemption, it creates a patchwork of jurisdictions that one may violate with complete innocense, never knowing they're in violation.
    Yep! That's why I'm trying to get that anathema of a law repealed!

    I may be taking my chances, but so far as I am concerned, my rights as a citizen of Colorado ought to preempt local ordinances based on the language of preemption itself, and serve as reasoanble defense against violation of GFSZ.

    As I said before, I don't particularly care.
    So long as you're aware of the risks, the choice is yours.

    Not I! I'm remaining squarely on the side of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As for overlapping zones, Keens, I calculated the number of schools here in Colorado Springs the size of the city, and the average size of the school lots, and determined all GFSZ's together occupy approximately 11% of the land area of the city as a whole. Thus, if you OC everywhere you go, you'd be in a GFSZ about 10% of the time!

    What I do to avoid trouble is check out Google Maps before I head out to a location with which I'm not familiar. I plan my parking location and walking routes so as to avoid all schools by 1,500' or more.



    Yep! That's why I'm trying to get that anathema of a law repealed!
    I'm with you on getting the GFSZ law repealed! I do/still check maps for these zones before heading into an unfamiliar area I plan to OC in, but I feel its just impossible to know where every school is. There could be some little school around the corner that nobody knows about and its just a hassle to check the maps on my iPhone everytime I want to OC in a new area. Criminals don't care about GFSZ's, they know its an easy target since folks are not armed. Now I wonder about the recent CA school shootings. If there wasn't GFSZ's, and a OC'er or CC'er were there, it may have been very possible lives could have been saved.

    I'm going to get me a printer, and make me some maps to keep in the car so I know where that dang 1000' boundary is. I also have been wanting to print all the firearms related C.R.S. lingo to keep in a binder for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keens View Post
    I'm with you on getting the GFSZ law repealed! I do/still check maps for these zones before heading into an unfamiliar area I plan to OC in, but I feel its just impossible to know where every school is. There could be some little school around the corner that nobody knows about and its just a hassle to check the maps on my iPhone everytime I want to OC in a new area. Criminals don't care about GFSZ's, they know its an easy target since folks are not armed. Now I wonder about the recent CA school shootings. If there wasn't GFSZ's, and a OC'er or CC'er were there, it may have been very possible lives could have been saved.
    Bingo on both accounts. The obvious question is why must we law-abiding citizens keep track of every one of the hundreds of GFSZs (in the Springs, anyway) and risk running afoul of the law if we inadvertently OC through them while the law-breakers who're concealing could care less?

    What a GFSZ DOES do:

    1. It criminalizes otherwise lawful OC or lawful CC in states where CC doesn't require a permit.

    2. It criminalizes otherwise lawful use of a firearm in defense self, others, and property.

    What a GFSZ does NOT do:

    A. Deter crimes involving firearms.

    B. Deter school shootings.
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    Wife and I took our CCW class with Potomac Ltd. LLC on April 24th 2012, class was $85 and took about 4 hours. Submitted our CCW applications to Jefferson County on April 25th 2012 and got the call Thursday May 17th 2012 that we have been cleared and our permits are ready to be picked up. One other thing Jeffco dropped the CCW Permit fee from $100 to $72.50 and renewal is only $40 what a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yotebuster223 View Post
    Wife and I took our CCW class with Potomac Ltd. LLC on April 24th 2012, class was $85 and took about 4 hours. Submitted our CCW applications to Jefferson County on April 25th 2012 and got the call Thursday May 17th 2012 that we have been cleared and our permits are ready to be picked up. One other thing Jeffco dropped the CCW Permit fee from $100 to $72.50 and renewal is only $40 what a bargain.
    Hello! Congratulations on your new permits! That is a bargain for $72.50! I wonder if they lowered it due to high demand? Or to encourage more people to get their permits? I had to pay the full $100 to the Elbert County Sheriff plus another $52.50 to the CBI. I still prefer OC and only CC around the GFZ's and in Denver. I like to be an ambassador to OC and educate people that OC is legal and that if they can own a gun, they too can OC. Hope to meet you at a Meet and Greet soon! Again, congratulations to the both of you!

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