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    NRA or Grassroots: which one to join?

    Hey guys,

    Just curious if any of you are members of either groups? Or both? I'm considering joining one or the other but not sure yet which one I will go with. My father-in-law is a life time NRA member, so I'm familiar with that, but hadn't heard of grassroots before that Golden Corral meet up.


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    PS. I accidentally posted this in some unknown thread....

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    Grassroots is not bad, but instead of the NRA look into Gun Owners of America? I contribute to them monthly. I dont think that they have quite the influence that the NRA does but it is still a good organization to be a member of.

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    Both. NRA helps at a national level and GRNC helps at a State and Local level. Will cost you $45 a year for both or less if you pay for multiple years. NRA is worth it for the discounts and firearm insurance alone.

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    The NRA leaves a bad taste for some because they seem to be for "hunters" and concealed carry. Granted they are the gorilla in the room. I think they need to unite with the grassroots more for 2A and tackle the issue as a whole. I renewed my VCDL membership last gun show but not NRA.

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    The NRA is run by a bunch of commies. I know many of you haven't figured it out yet, because you are still under a spell, but these rats run all of their opposition. The best way to defeat your opposition is to BE YOUR OPPOSITION, and this is why we have the NRA. Don't believe me though. You'll see soon enough.

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    The NRA seems pretty conservative to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uber_Olafsun View Post
    The NRA leaves a bad taste for some because they seem to be for "hunters" and concealed carry. Granted they are the gorilla in the room. I think they need to unite with the grassroots more for 2A and tackle the issue as a whole. I renewed my VCDL membership last gun show but not NRA.
    Because that is the majority. For every open carry you see I bet there are 20 concealed carries you do not see. All of the NRA's big supporters are open carry type personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drew9 View Post
    Hey guys,

    Just curious if any of you are members of either groups? Or both? I'm considering joining one or the other but not sure yet which one I will go with. My father-in-law is a life time NRA member, so I'm familiar with that, but hadn't heard of grassroots before that Golden Corral meet up.


    Drew

    PS. I accidentally posted this in some unknown thread....
    I am partial to Grass Roots North Carolina. Having been involved in the gun rights movement for 15 or so years I know who has been doing the work in NC. The last piece of legislation to become law was HB650. The majority of it was written by GRNC. The next bill to be passed when the GA starts back up in May is HB111 dealing with restaurant carry. This was also written by GRNC.
    Look here http://www.grnc.org/resources/grnc-accomplishments
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC-Heel View Post
    Because that is the majority. For every open carry you see I bet there are 20 concealed carries you do not see. All of the NRA's big supporters are open carry type personalities.
    I believe conceal carry is in the majority because more states allow it than open carry. Since I have been participating on this forum I have had a big change in attitude. I no longer worry about whether it covered or not.

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    from http://www.grnc.org/resources/grnc-accomplishments
    GRNC was central to drafting and passing North Carolina’s concealed handgun law;
    GRNC passed a clean concealed handgun reciprocity law which has captured 37 states (see below);
    GRNC passed legislation enabling concealed handgun permit-holders to avoid redundant background checks when purchasing handguns, thereby circumventing sheriffs who restrict such permits;
    GRNC recently passed omnibus gun bill HB 650, which includes

    good heavens, why do we need the NC general assembly if GRNC is passing the laws as stated on their website?

    ◦Made emergency concealed handgun permits available to domestic violence victims;

    having professionally dealt w/dv participants - perpetrator and victim, i am concerned about giving either party access to a firearm w/o completion of appropriate anger management counseling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncwabbit View Post
    from http://www.grnc.org/resources/grnc-accomplishments
    GRNC was central to drafting and passing North Carolina’s concealed handgun law;
    GRNC passed a clean concealed handgun reciprocity law which has captured 37 states (see below);
    GRNC passed legislation enabling concealed handgun permit-holders to avoid redundant background checks when purchasing handguns, thereby circumventing sheriffs who restrict such permits;
    GRNC recently passed omnibus gun bill HB 650, which includes

    good heavens, why do we need the NC general assembly if GRNC is passing the laws as stated on their website?

    ◦Made emergency concealed handgun permits available to domestic violence victims;

    having professionally dealt w/dv participants - perpetrator and victim, i am concerned about giving either party access to a firearm w/o completion of appropriate anger management counseling.

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    Anyone except the NRA

    Grassroots rocks, hands down. GOA is great also. I quit the NRA when they endorsed a Democrat over a Republican Marine running for Congress.

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    I'm a long time NRA member but they are organizationally too self serving to suit me. It just chafes my behind when the NRA tries to take credit for local initiatives which other organizations have conceived, championed and worked tireless hours to achieve. Plus, they many times refuse to work with or even acknowledge the grass roots organizations.

    OTOH, I'll admit that the NRA has more name recognition than any other pro-2A group and they highlight national gun rights issues effectively. There's certainly a need for a group with a strategic mission, it's just that I don't respect the fear-mongering way the NRA conducts their business.

    So, I much prefer to donate my time and money to pro-rights groups which lobby at the state level and concentrate on getting bills passed which have a direct impact on me personally.

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    NRA Life member, SAF Life member, GOA annual membership, GRNC annual membership. Join all that you can afford to.

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    surely you jest crickdad, however, to clarify my position since you woke that dog up....how the organization obtained the addresses of gun owners in the state doesn't concern me, but rather the protection and security of said data does...

    my last post centers around the cite mentioned....as the GRNC website pointed out...apparently w/GRNC around passing all the firearm statutes why have a NC General Assembly ?

    Also as i have publicly stated on this and other platforms...GRNC is a fine firearm advocate but requires someone to proof their public copy as it comes across as egotisical (GRNC was the only contributor!) and advertising comes across as the 'the boy who cried wolf' or 'doom and gloom' mentality if you do not contribute/volunteer!

    as mentioned in the past... what is being done for our contributions today? a suggestion organizationally someone might brief those manning your booths as they do not have a objective clue on objective goals. what was done in the past they can articulate from rote memory. (to be fair every booth person was asked the exact same guestion and i got wonderful tales of past quests but nothing on future objectives needing conquering by the organization.)

    wabbit

    ps; already know that answer cricketdad...some in your org have loose tongues as i got the same response from several different folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdcyyz View Post
    NRA Life member, SAF Life member, GOA annual membership, GRNC annual membership. Join all that you can afford to.
    +1.
    Be prepared for numerous mailings asking for donations.

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    NRA first, and then the others as you can. The NRA is absolutely not perfect. Even an organization as powerful as they are can't do it all, so they pick their battles. Especially when it comes to open carry, they are often not picking some of the battles we want them to, but we cannot deny their effectiveness as a whole.

    Keep in mind that the NRA is not just a lobby. In fact, that is not its first job. The NRA is about education, safety, and sports. Its ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) is run separately. Unfortunately, the ILA's battles often cause people to forsake the NRA as a whole, and this is, IMO, wrong.

    That said, the NRA is America's oldest and largest civil rights organization. There's nothing wrong with being the gorilla in the room. But even gorillas can't do it all.

    Also, I can't remember the last time I got a mailing asking for more money. I think a lot of non-members keep spreading that around as an excuse not to join, like junk mail is something they don't get from every other source on the planet anyway.
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    if you look objectively, you'll notice that the NRA can probably accurately, throughout history, be called the largest gun CONTROL organization ever. the little things from supporting gun grabbers over uber pro gun politicians all the way down to supporting the brady measures and GCA'68, among other things. if you support 'hunting rights' and the law and order mentality of 'sensible' gun control and a compromising stance on gun rights, the NRA is for you.
    if you are a no compromise sort of guy, you should check out GOA and/or JPFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brutus1776 View Post
    if you look objectively, you'll notice that the NRA can probably accurately, throughout history, be called the largest gun CONTROL organization ever. the little things from supporting gun grabbers over uber pro gun politicians all the way down to supporting the brady measures and GCA'68, among other things. if you support 'hunting rights' and the law and order mentality of 'sensible' gun control and a compromising stance on gun rights, the NRA is for you.
    if you are a no compromise sort of guy, you should check out GOA and/or JPFO.
    The GRNC has its faults, but those in it are quite dedicated and hard working. They keep up with current events, and have goals they plan to shoot for. The NRA does have political tout, but I dislike the manner in which they carry themselves of late. To a degree, I have no problem with some gun control. A Felon who acquired that felony through allowing anger to control his actions, and then shot a man, for example, should not be sold another gun. Past that, though, it gets complicated, and more gun control won't necessarily stop a criminal from acquiring a weapon.

    My vote goes to the GRNC. I'll be happy for the help the NRA gives, but for the time being, I don't trust them enough to pay them.

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    If you have to choose...

    ...and it's between GRNC and NRA - GRNC hands down. If its between GOA and NRA - GOA hands down. I'm not saying NRA is bad, it just sometimes isn't good.

    For example, last year they sold-out First Amendment rights after they were carved-out an exception to the Disclose Act. This demonstrates politics are more important than principle and the Constitution to them.

    They also promoted Heath Shuler and Hugh Holliman over clearly pro-gun candidates.

    They also floated support for Harry Reid of all people - they withdrew at the bitter end due to a deluge of protest.

    They arrogantly claim to be playing "complicated political games" that ordinary gun owners aren't capable of understanding. What we don't understand is what is so complicated about "shall not be infringed" and how can you trade political favors (i.e. not opposing Disclose/Harry Reid, trying to torpedo Heller...) for concessions on what "shall not be infringed"?

    In addition, all the NRA senior management are pulling 6 or 7 figure salaries. Maybe this is why they were afraid of Heller? If the Second is affirmed to actually mean what it says, why would we need over-paid fat-cats to defend it for us? Answer: we wouldn't, but then maybe they could go back to their role in building ranges, publishing loading information, hosting matches so that every American can conveniently attend...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doble Troble View Post
    ...They also floated support for Harry Reid of all people...
    What exactly is your point here? Are we supposed to assume Harry Reid is anti-gun?

    I don't know the other politicians you mentioned, so I won't pretend to know the stories there. But Senator Reid I know. I won't pretend to be his supporter, but he is the strongest pro-gun Senator we've had in a long time, and we are very fortunate that he is the Senate Majority Leader if we are being forced to deal with a Democrat-controlled Senate.
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    Yes, Reid is pro-gun in the "common sense-restriction/photo-op with a shotgun over the shoulder bird hunting" sense, but not in the pro-freedom sense.

    Reid is so completely anti-freedom/Constitution on other issues that he can't be trusted.

    He is only fit for loathing. NRA was dealing with the devil considering endorsing him.

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    Reid is a socialist. I'm not making apologies for him. I did not support his reelection. But please show me where he was not a strong pro-gun senator. Name another socialist that voted against the AWB. Obama and Clinton pull the shotgun photo-ops; don't lump them together just because it's convenient to do so. Reid is one of the reasons Obama has been impotent regarding gun control. We can at least acknowledge that truthfully.

    IIRC, the NRA did not endorse him. If you say they wanted to or were about to, I'd like to see some proof of that, or it's just gossip to be ignored. It is true that they did not endorse his opponent, an equally pro-gun candidate that was also a conservative. But the truth remains we are overall stronger pro-gun for having Harry Reid in office, knowing he would be the Majority Leader in a Democrat-controlled Senate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    The NRA seems pretty conservative to me.
    the NRA is the biggest gun CONTROL group in the US

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