The cops created the situation where the gun would show by making him raise his hands high in the air which caused the shirt to ride up.
That happened to another person (Mora) but not in this case.
The cops created the situation where the gun would show by making him raise his hands high in the air which caused the shirt to ride up.
You call this hands raised high in the air?
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The gun is clearly visible there and I don't see how that shirt could possibly be seen by a reasonable person as adequate to conceal it. (Click on the picture above to get a bigger image.)
You call this hands raised high in the air?
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The gun is clearly visible there and I don't see how that shirt could possibly be seen by a reasonable person as adequate to conceal it. (Click on the picture above to get a bigger image.)
Couple the object pictured in the low resulation dash camera video capture from several yards away with several persons' testimony, "How did you know the subject was carrying a gun?" "Because we could see it on his hip!" Can you point to the gun in this photo? "Sure, it's right there!"
It may look like just a black spot in the dash cam video - that doesn't mean it looked like just a black spot to observers. The entire stop was predicated by a 911 call from someone who saw the gun and the dash cam video clearly shows an object that could have reasonably been discernible as a gun to actual witnesses at the scene. It would be an entirely different scenario if there was no object visible on the dash cam video.
Personally, I think some pro-2A people will defend anybody that is arrested if it happens to be a gun charge.
Couple the object pictured in the low resulation dash camera video capture from several yards away with several persons' testimony, "How did you know the subject was carrying a gun?" "Because we could see it on his hip!" Can you point to the gun in this photo? "Sure, it's right there!"
It may look like just a black spot in the dash cam video - that doesn't mean it looked like just a black spot to observers. The entire stop was predicated by a 911 call from someone who saw the gun and the dash cam video clearly shows an object that could have reasonably been discernible as a gun to actual witnesses at the scene. It would be an entirely different scenario if there was no object visible on the dash cam video.
Personally, I think some pro-2A people will defend anybody that is arrested if it happens to be a gun charge.
I only have one question.
Why the heavy handed approach by law enforcement against people that inadvertently flash their weapon or choose their method of concealment poorly?
You cannot say that it is because the police know they have a firearm as this would be illogical. When criminals have a firearm and the officer does not know, he is not at any more risk because officers are trained to always be aware of what is going on and what the person they are speaking to is doing.
The officers in the video just immediately take the man to the ground. No questions asked.
If cops were truly here to "Serve and Protect", the conversation should have went like this:
Officer: "Sir, we need to talk. Someone called in and said they had seen a firearm on you. Are you carrying and do you have a CDW Permit?"
Non Criminal: "Yes Sir, I do have a permit and I am concealing it right here on my waist."
Officer: "But we can see your firearm and that is not allowed."
Non Criminal: "What you are seeing is a leather case. It covers my firearm completely. Someone must have seen me bend over."
Officer: "Sir, your permit is to carry concealed and although we knew you had a firearm from a caller, concealing it in the manner you are doing is asking for trouble. Now I suggest you either get a longer shirt or get an IWB Holster. We can agree to disagree on whether the case is sufficient to conceal but I am trying to save you some trouble and do not want to have to ticket you."
Non Criminal: "I will take that under advisement. Thank you for letting me know that my concealment method was not perfect. It can be hard to conceal with the clothes I like to wear and this weather."
Officer: "You are welcome. Have a nice day."
Non Criminal: "You too sir!"
Now wouldn't that be better than what was in the video?
What I am saying is that the video evidence will support sworn testimony that a number of different people saw the subject carrying the gun and recognized it as a gun. The video evidence may not be enough to stand on it's own, but it will support and corroborate the testimony of the witnesses.
Now, if the dash cam did not show the black object in question, but instead showed police stopping the subject and frisking him for the gun - that would be entirely different.
I am not saying the police approached the situation correctly. What I am saying is that the evidence of the dash cam video, +the person who called 911 saying they saw a gun, +the police officers' testimony that his gun was plainly visible, +the shirt not being long enough to cover the gun = very strong indication the guy took very little effort to conceal his gun resulting in more exposure than merely "briefly and by accident". I would not contribute to his defense fund.
I am not saying the police approached the situation correctly. What I am saying is that the evidence of the dash cam video, +the person who called 911 saying they saw a gun, +the police officers' testimony that his gun was plainly visible, +the shirt not being long enough to cover the gun = very strong indication the guy took very little effort to conceal his gun resulting in more exposure than merely "briefly and by accident". I would not contribute to his defense fund.
Whatever.
The way the goofballs wrote the law, it looks like you can walk up to a cop on the street and pull up your shirt for a bit showing him your gun. This appears legal as long as your smiling and waving nicely to the officer. Politicians should be drug tested every week. :dude:
Politicians should be drug tested every week.
Here is your answer; they didn't. They pushed him to the ground and arrested him. God bless those men in blue, for they are all heroes.
It's the American way. I for one feel much safer that this villain was arrested. We should be like Singapore where he would be jailed for 10 years and caned. Gotta get tough on "crime".