Utah_Patriot
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I agree they say where it all the time or not at all
I agree they say where it all the time or not at all
There are anecdotal comments and there is evidence. "Anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoran; nevertheless, I do agree and understand how and why people are motivated emotionally and manipulated thusly by the flavor of the message.Anecdotal evidence may not make a solid argument, but it DOES sway people's opinions.
T-shirts to promote the cause? Take a look at this Pa. site and a dinner in Mtn Jack's honor. One sample is shown below. http://tinyurl.com/5tdpx5Grapeshot makes a good point, that the long term goal is to just simply be able to exercise our rights without it being a big deal on any front. I just wonder if slow and sure will win the race or just end up being a slow path to no-where? Sometimes I feel like wearing a shirt that says "No, I'm not a cop or security guard or in the military. Open carry of a firearm is legal in <insert state here>! Feel free to exercise your right to protect yourself and your family. If you don't exercise your rights you WILL lose them and may never get them back. When seconds count the police are just minutes away! Your right to feel uneasy around my gun does not over-ride my right to protect myself...or you."
OK, the t-shirt is a bit long winded but you get my point.
Cy
"anecdotal evidence" perpetrates the myths of gun registration. permits, license and all that other nonsense bandied about by the MSM and those so inculcated where none exists. The purpose is to keep the sheep... SHEEP. 'Anecdotal evidence' is just another form of disinformation and agitation propaganda.
There's some that would have said OCing to a kids' soccer game was just calling unwanted attention that the OC movement didn't need,
I want you to note what I posted in my first post in this thread.There's some that would have said OCing to a kids' soccer game was just calling unwanted attention that the OC movement didn't need,
Just replying to this part of the statement as I have seen it saida lot of places. I know you weren't personally saying this was the case but I would like to clear it up anyway. I OC'ed at LEAST a dozen times prior to being noticed that day. I feel this is a crucial fact in pointing out that I just OC all the time while going about my business and not bothering anyone. I believe the ONLY reason anyone noticed me that day was because of WHERE I was standing. It's my usual practice to stand behind all of the other parents for the game so I can see EVERYONE and also all over the park (better situational awareness IMO) but on that day I wanted good video of my daughter's game. That was it. Nothing more.
As far as the OP here, I DO think that OC dinners/lunches/get togethers are helpful when they are conducted appropriately. I have been to several and sure there were people who asked and were genuinely curious and not offended at all. I think they just saw us as another group of people getting together to enjoy each other's company. We just happened to have our firearms with us...several of us with them out in the open. Other then that we were just "regular people" like them. Isn't that what we'd like to convey? So yes, I think this is a very GOOD message to send.
In retrospect, I think hearing "soccer mom openly carrying" makes me sound like a more "normal" mom then if it had happened some other place. Everyone can relate to the term "soccer mom" and they have an image. Of course that image doesn't include a firearm but if we can get even some people to come around and realize that I am just another "soccer mom" who happens to carry then we've achieved something, haven't we? Am I making sense? (Yes there will be those who think "nope, crazyass with a gun. nothing normal about her" but there may be no hope for someone who is that close-minded.)
I have no problems at all with your OC at the soccer game and think that what you did was point out that lots of "normal" people, as you call them. carry guns. Too many people have the idea of "gun nuts" andthe you can convince people that it is a "normal" thing the better it is for everyone. My whole point it to convince the average person that it is OK to carry a gun and it won't shoot someone while still in the holster. Too many people look at the gun as a killerrather than the person pulling the trigger.However in the case of the soccer mom in PA can go a long way to educate the public.
+1 Grapeshot!Thank you shefearsnothing for standing tall. Your conduct and testimony throughout the events as they were unfolding are testimates to your character. I'm proud to call you a friend.
Take note ladies and gentleman, this is how you change the public's perception. You do not look for trouble but you do not tuck your tail and slink away when you or another are wronged. You maintain your dignity, gather facts/information and strike to the very heart of the problem. Then go back to your normal routine and give a smile to everyone - just another soccer mom.
Yata hey
So what's the problem? I think the majority of the public believes it's OK for Law-Abiding people to carry a gun for protection at least some of the time, otherwise I don't think we'd have most of the states licensing CCW in one form or another.
I think Open Carry has much less public support, because of some of the blatently ignorant ideas out there. "Guns don't belong around kids!" "Guys Open Carry just because it makes them feel like a MAN (or they're compensating)!" "What is this, the Wild West?" "OCers are just looking for attention!" "It's disrespectful of others!" "The OCer will get shot first!"
So what can we do to change these misconceptions?
...Orygunner...
Well I don't think the fellows who wrote the Constitution rode around in automobiles or they would probably have included something about that inthe Bill of Rights. Since everyone is always talking about what they did and thought maybe we should travel like they did. It would be a lot safer. I know a lot more people that ride in automobiles than carry guns so I would suspect that more would be killed by automobiles than guns. However I don't think that was the case back in 1796. I did have a Great-Great-Uncle that was killed in a horse and buggy accident back in the late 1800's.:XOpen Carry is the purest from of the Second Amendment.
It does not (in Virginia) require permission like Concealed Carry.
As far as how many people I know who have been killed via a gun - a whole LOT LESS than those that have been killed via an automobile - should we stop driving too?
Wow - my post had nothing to do with the "fellows who wrote the Constitution" - or your Great-Great-Uncle. Are you the only person on this site that can post an opinion?Well I don't think the fellows who wrote the Constitution rode around in automobiles or they would probably have included something about that inthe Bill of Rights. Since everyone is always talking about what they did and thought maybe we should travel like they did. It would be a lot safer. I know a lot more people that ride in automobiles than carry guns so I would suspect that more would be killed by automobiles than guns. However I don't think that was the case back in 1796. I did have a Great-Great-Uncle that was killed in a horse and buggy accident back in the late 1800's.:X