Rising gas prices hurt hunters, shooters

Dave Workman · Jan 5, 2011

WHAT'S IN YOUR WALLET...besides holes and empty space?

"... Hunters and anglers are hit very hard with high gas costs and will likely reduce their travels or skip things altogether because it is simply too expensive for that trek to Chelan or Okanogan or Ferry county for five trout a day, four grouse a day or a chance to maybe see one legal deer to shoot. It is too expensive to fuel the boat...

"...Face it, you snobby economists: People spend their “disposable” income on outdoor recreation and vacations, and that’s not going to happen in 2011 if they are “disposing” of that “disposable” income at the gas pump just to get back and forth to work..."

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-...-hurt-sportsmen-and-a-wa-congressman-can-help

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/2evt298

amlevin · Jan 5, 2011

A recent commentary on News Broadcast pointed out that today's price of gas is not so much directly tied to the price of oil as it is caused by Investors speculating on gasoline "futures". People that never before traded in commodities are now playing in the market.

Another factor is refinery capacity. We have let the "greenies", over the last 50 years, stifle the ability of the Oil Industry to build new and more efficient refineries. Instead they are forced to operate units that have long since lost their prime.

Just another example of how we are governed by fools who are "bought" by special interest.

Perhaps the great "economic engine" of the US might have to "sputter more" before our idiot leaders realize that they don't have the smarts to fix it and let those that do get back in charge. The more they meddle, the worse it gets.

Dave Workman · Jan 5, 2011

amlevin said:
A recent commentary on News Broadcast pointed out that today's price of gas is not so much directly tied to the price of oil as it is caused by Investors speculating on gasoline "futures". People that never before traded in commodities are now playing in the market.

Another factor is refinery capacity. We have let the "greenies", over the last 50 years, stifle the ability of the Oil Industry to build new and more efficient refineries. Instead they are forced to operate units that have long since lost their prime.

Just another example of how we are governed by fools who are "bought" by special interest.

Perhaps the great "economic engine" of the US might have to "sputter more" before our idiot leaders realize that they don't have the smarts to fix it and let those that do get back in charge. The more they meddle, the worse it gets.

Amlevin:

Don't forget to post your comments at the bottom of the column at Examiner. I think your remarks will stir up quite a few reactions!
Thx for reading!!!

onlurker · Jan 5, 2011

amlevin said:
A recent commentary on News Broadcast pointed out that today's price of gas is not so much directly tied to the price of oil as it is caused by Investors speculating on gasoline "futures". People that never before traded in commodities are now playing in the market.

And it becomes a case of self-fulfilling prophecies. All it takes is for one person to "think" that gas prices are going to go up for everyone else to get into a panic and buy into the futures to secure their investments.

Lovenox · Jan 5, 2011

The market is a squirrel ruled by fear, not logic. But that aside I dabbled in options and its almost the same thing except that you can limit your losses. Demand surely has to figure into the equation. China and India coming into thier own and many people owning cars for the first time surely drive up the cost.

amlevin · Jan 5, 2011

Dave Workman said:
Amlevin:

Don't forget to post your comments at the bottom of the column at Examiner. I think your remarks will stir up quite a few reactions!
Thx for reading!!!

Done

Feel free to quote me anytime you might feel it's appropriate.

jbone · Jan 6, 2011

Robbery

I say Robbery since I fear from not paying the inflated price, don't fill tank, don't get to work, lose job!
I had a retired refinery guy tell me on Christmas Eve as I filled up, and he was posting a higher price that there was a surplus at our local refineries, and yet the price was being raised. Not sure if what he told me holds true!

amlevin · Jan 6, 2011

jbone said:
I say Robbery since I fear from not paying the inflated price, don't fill tank, don't get to work, lose job!
I had a retired refinery guy tell me on Christmas Eve as I filled up, and he was posting a higher price that there was a surplus at our local refineries, and yet the price was being raised. Not sure if what he told me holds true!

Refinery employees don't know what's going on at the Sales and Marketing level. As I posted earlier, gasoline prices are now being set by the commodities trading. The Gasoline that they have in the tanks is probably already sold in a "futures" contract. Why would an Oil company sell today something they can keep in a tank and deliver in the future at a much higher price. It can effectively create a "shortage" even though there is plenty in the tanks.

Dave Workman · Jan 6, 2011

amlevin said:
Done

Feel free to quote me anytime you might feel it's appropriate.

Well, I'll tell ya what is just plain annoying is that guy riverworld, who is such a jackwagon apologist for and defender of lib Democrats who have largely screwed up the country and the economy and blamed it on Bush. That dog don't hunt, and that argument don't pass the smell test.

Anytime I comment on the jerky way Democrats have been toward gun rights or the economy or anything else, he gets snotty and calls the remark "gratuitous." I'm tempted to respond, but then it might discourage others from commenting.

FMCDH · Jan 6, 2011

Dave Workman said:
Well, I'll tell ya what is just plain annoying is that guy riverworld, who is such a jackwagon apologist for and defender of lib Democrats who have largely screwed up the country and the economy and blamed it on Bush. That dog don't hunt, and that argument don't pass the smell test.

Anytime I comment on the jerky way Democrats have been toward gun rights or the economy or anything else, he gets snotty and calls the remark "gratuitous." I'm tempted to respond, but then it might discourage others from commenting.

I don't think that word means what he thinks it means. :lol:

killchain · Jan 7, 2011

How about the price of ammunition?

That's REALLY what's kicking me in the mouth. Less ammo = less training = less opportunities.

amlevin · Jan 7, 2011

Dave Workman said:
Well, I'll tell ya what is just plain annoying is that guy riverworld, who is such a jackwagon apologist for and defender of lib Democrats who have largely screwed up the country and the economy and blamed it on Bush. That dog don't hunt, and that argument don't pass the smell test.

Anytime I comment on the jerky way Democrats have been toward gun rights or the economy or anything else, he gets snotty and calls the remark "gratuitous." I'm tempted to respond, but then it might discourage others from commenting.

I wouldn't get all worked up over him or anyone else like that. He's probably one of those pampered children of some post hippie era parents that has several college degrees and can't get a job, even at McDonald's. Probably still lives at home in his old room, alternately dropping trash talk comments on commentaries like yours, and the rest of the time on the "Free Porn" sites.

FMCDH · Jan 7, 2011

amlevin said:
I wouldn't get all worked up over him or anyone else like that. He's probably one of those pampered children of some post hippie era parents that has several college degrees and can't get a job, even at McDonald's. Probably still lives at home in his old room, alternately dropping trash talk comments on commentaries like yours, and the rest of the time on the "Free Porn" sites.

Wow man, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

Yamichi · Jan 8, 2011

If hunting and outdoor trekking are important to you and the cost of gas is causing trouble for it, why not find ways to save gas elsewhere in the year? 4x10 workweeks, carpools, telecommuting if your job allows it, public transit, etc. Obviously some people are unable to take advantage of these due to any of a number of factors but a large number of people simply don't want to or are unwilling to.
As a sports car enthusiast with a nearly 40-mile round trip commute, I'm intimately familiar with the huge impact of gas prices. Because of that, I've been a long time mass-transit rider. It was a simple equation for me; In order to drive the car I love, I had to sit my butt on a bus a few days per week. I was (and am) lucky enough to have nearby bus routes for my employer AND my home so it's easy for me. Most folks who live in or near a decent-sized city have it as an option but never look into it. I used to live rurally and there were bus routes there. Even things like a park and ride to cut 10-15 miles off your daily commute can save you hundreds per month. That's a LOT of ammo and shooting trips, no?

sudden valley gunner · Jan 8, 2011

Yamichi said:
If hunting and outdoor trekking are important to you and the cost of gas is causing trouble for it, why not find ways to save gas elsewhere in the year? 4x10 workweeks, carpools, telecommuting if your job allows it, public transit, etc. Obviously some people are unable to take advantage of these due to any of a number of factors but a large number of people simply don't want to or are unwilling to.
As a sports car enthusiast with a nearly 40-mile round trip commute, I'm intimately familiar with the huge impact of gas prices. Because of that, I've been a long time mass-transit rider. It was a simple equation for me; In order to drive the car I love, I had to sit my butt on a bus a few days per week. I was (and am) lucky enough to have nearby bus routes for my employer AND my home so it's easy for me. Most folks who live in or near a decent-sized city have it as an option but never look into it. I used to live rurally and there were bus routes there. Even things like a park and ride to cut 10-15 miles off your daily commute can save you hundreds per month. That's a LOT of ammo and shooting trips, no?

Welcome to the forum Yamichi. Do you shoot are into Gun rights?

Good points but, I think we shouldn't have to change our lifestyle because politicians feel the need to mess with our "free" market.

amlevin · Jan 8, 2011

sudden valley gunner said:
Welcome to the forum Yamichi. Do you shoot are into Gun rights?

Good points but, I think we shouldn't have to change our lifestyle because politicians feel the need to mess with our "free" market.

It's not so much the politicians that are messing with the free market it's the "opportunists" that are driving the price of gas up by their speculation. In this case it might be a good thing if we had some regulation on how crude oil and gasoline is traded in this country. As it is we have a system that allows prices to be run up merely on the basis of fear and the profits do nothing to encourage the increased supply.

As for "lifestyle", it's a matter of personal choice as the poster pointed out. If you have a finite amount of money you have to decide what activities are most important. There is no requirement that the government see that we have enough to do everything we want to do without limitation.

sudden valley gunner · Jan 8, 2011

amlevin said:
It's not so much the politicians that are messing with the free market it's the "opportunists" that are driving the price of gas up by their speculation. In this case it might be a good thing if we had some regulation on how crude oil and gasoline is traded in this country. As it is we have a system that allows prices to be run up merely on the basis of fear and the profits do nothing to encourage the increased supply.

As for "lifestyle", it's a matter of personal choice as the poster pointed out. If you have a finite amount of money you have to decide what activities are most important. There is no requirement that the government see that we have enough to do everything we want to do without limitation.

Why would they drive it up if it wasn't for the amount of effort politicians have put into messing with it and the fear we will run out? Would it be going up if politicians would allow us to be energy independent and use the plentiful resources we have?

I do see your point but look at what happened to ammo prices on the "fear" of what a newly elected president would do. Even if it was not directly the politicians effected that market too.

Metalhead47 · Jan 8, 2011

sudden valley gunner said:
Why would they drive it up if it wasn't for the amount of effort politicians have put into messing with it and the fear we will run out? Would it be going up if politicians would allow us to be energy independent and use the plentiful resources we have?

I do see your point but look at what happened to ammo prices on the "fear" of what a newly elected president would do. Even if it was not directly the politicians effected that market too.

Never underestimate the power of mass hysteria

I remember a few years back in AZ... a gasoline pipeline from Kali that brought in something like 10% of our gas supply broke. The media jumped on it and scared the crap out of the sheeple telling them "better fill up now before all the gas is gone!" Within a day or so gas stations were running out of gas, prices were extortionate, people were lining up to panic, etc. Think a couple of tanker drivers got beat up too. Now during all this, they upped the number of tankers coming in from Kali to compensate. All in all, the actual interruption in supply was very minor and probably wouldn't even have been noticed without the stupid media panic. In about a week the pipeline was fixed & everything was back to normal. I had filled up just prior to the break & got to sit back & laugh while all the sheeple stampeded. By the time I needed to fill up agian, it was over.

Yamichi · Jan 8, 2011

sudden valley gunner said:
Welcome to the forum Yamichi. Do you shoot are into Gun rights?

Good points but, I think we shouldn't have to change our lifestyle because politicians feel the need to mess with our "free" market.

Thanks, SVG!
I don't shoot enough yet but I'm very into gun rights and my awesome GF is an OC'er and is getting me into that part of it. I go shooting with friends every summer but I'm not YET a hobbyist. So in short, I'm a noob when it comes to guns.

I don't think our lifestyles should revolve around politicians either. My choices revolve around the resources I have on hand and the goals I have in mind. If something is important to me, I make it happen and I don't let other things stop me. If a situation changes and my goals don't, my habits have to.

sudden valley gunner · Jan 8, 2011

Yamichi said:
Thanks, SVG!
I don't shoot enough yet but I'm very into gun rights and my awesome GF is an OC'er and is getting me into that part of it. I go shooting with friends every summer but I'm not YET a hobbyist. So in short, I'm a noob when it comes to guns.

I don't think our lifestyles should revolve around politicians either. My choices revolve around the resources I have on hand and the goals I have in mind. If something is important to me, I make it happen and I don't let other things stop me. If a situation changes and my goals don't, my habits have to.

Yep I hear that, been going through some tough times these last few years (contractor) you choose whats important and work around the rest. LOL.

Don't know what part of the northwest you are from but would love to go shooting sometime, or hope to see ya at a gathering soon.

Edit: P.S. Awesome Girlfriend by the way. Usually it works the other way around and it's the guys bringing their women around to the "light side". :lol:

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