House Bill 1371

jgross85 · Jan 25, 2013

Read this house bill if you like it or agree start writing you rep to get this through the state. we can stop the overbaring government from hu=indering our rights before it is to late!!!!

(apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1371.pdf)

Freedom1Man · Jan 25, 2013

jgross85 said:
Read this house bill if you like it or agree start writing you rep to get this through the state. we can stop the overbaring government from hu=indering our rights before it is to late!!!!

(apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1371.pdf)

Fix your post please.

gogodawgs · Jan 25, 2013

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bills/House Bills/1371.pdf

Freedom1Man · Jan 25, 2013

21 such as unmachined [strike]steel[/strike] material and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms

First change.

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33 (2) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
34 (a) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
35 (b) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than one and one-
36 half inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a
37 propellant;
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1 (c) Ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion
2 of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
3 (d) A firearm, other than a shotgun, that discharges two or more
4 projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.[/strike]

Second change.

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Those are the two points of contention that I have with it right off the bat.

Batousaii · Jan 25, 2013

!~ Good Bill ~!

I think that the bill is a great step forward. I agree that it would be nice if they removed the items that freedom1man noted, but as it stands I can indeed support this bill and believe that it would help us safeguard our liberties here in WA.

DamonK · Jan 25, 2013

Yup, it's deffinately a step in the right direction. The problem that we have set ourselves with is that unlike our liberal counterparts, we haven't been willing to be flexible in our political dealings. While they have made thousands of half steps in their direction, our inability to be flexible or compromise means that we take an all or nothing stance. Think about it, this bill is a huge step in the right direction, lets not trash it because of one or two minor issues that can eventually be fixed. Remember, one thousand half step in the right direction is still five hundred steps in the right direction.

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Freedom1Man · Jan 25, 2013

DamonK said:
Yup, it's deffinately a step in the right direction. The problem that we have set ourselves with is that unlike our liberal counterparts, we haven't been willing to be flexible in our political dealings. While they have made thousands of half steps in their direction, our inability to be flexible or compromise means that we take an all or nothing stance. Think about it, this bill is a huge step in the right direction, lets not trash it because of one or two minor issues that can eventually be fixed. Remember, one thousand half step in the right direction is still five hundred steps in the right direction.

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I am not saying we should dismiss it or reject it. The first change will affect any firearms made out any anything but steel though.

Some reproductions are made of Brass, you AR is made from Aluminum, and then there are other materials too such as polymers.

skeith5 · Jan 25, 2013

Is it too late for them to update the bill? The two projectile rule could be tricky since they make shotshells for pretty much any caliber...

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Freedom1Man · Jan 25, 2013

skeith5 said:
Is it too late for them to update the bill? The two projectile rule could be tricky since they make shotshells for pretty much any caliber...

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They did exempt shotguns I thought.

Alpine · Jan 25, 2013

Freedom1Man said:
They did exempt shotguns I thought.

I've got a Taurus Judge that I got for xmas, I use 4-10 birdshot and buckshot with it. Would it be exempted? Doesn't sound like it.

Freedom1Man · Jan 25, 2013

Alpine said:
I've got a Taurus Judge that I got for xmas, I use 4-10 birdshot and buckshot with it. Would it be exempted? Doesn't sound like it.

After a second pass I see what the problem is. It seems to me that it would count for restriction under federal law.

I hope that RapGood will weigh in on this.

I agree that it's poorly written.

Metalhead47 · Jan 26, 2013

Awesome idea, but even if by some miracle this passed both houses, Inslee wouldn't sign it even if someone put a, well, you know, to his head.

Bill Starks · Jan 26, 2013

I have .22 shot shells, .38 shotshells, .44 shotshells

I've seen lowers made from Aluminum and carbon fiber

I've shot firearms made of carbon fiber and brass

Flopsweat · Jan 26, 2013

25 and communities; (d) law-abiding citizens who are attacked in a place
26 where they have a right to be have no duty to retreat and have the
27 right to stand their ground and meet force with defensive force,
28 including deadly force in certain circumstances;

I'm concerned that "in certain circumstances" may be too vague.

davidmcbeth · Jan 26, 2013

To lazy to click .. post the text next time ... toddles ..

bennie1986 · Jan 26, 2013

What chance does this have in passing?

skeith5 · Jan 26, 2013

Alpine said:
I've got a Taurus Judge that I got for xmas, I use 4-10 birdshot and buckshot with it. Would it be exempted? Doesn't sound like it.

This!

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Batousaii · Jan 26, 2013

bennie1986 said:
What chance does this have in passing?

So Far...

[h=3]History of the Bill[/h] as of Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:22 PM

Sponsors:

Representatives Taylor, Overstreet, Shea, Short, Pike, Scott, Schmick, Crouse, Condotta, Kristiansen

2013 REGULAR SESSION

Jan 24

First reading, referred to Judiciary. (View Original Bill)

Any Chance to get this in the Sticky section ? We should follow and support this.
:dude:

rapgood · Jan 26, 2013

Freedom1Man said:
After a second pass I see what the problem is. It seems to me that it would count for restriction under federal law.

I hope that RapGood will weigh in on this.

I agree that it's poorly written.

Actually, I don't think that it is poorly written. I think it was very carefully written. I like ambiguity in the law. It provides me with a host of options and interpretations that are not available in tightly-worded language.

DamonK · Jan 26, 2013

Alpine said:
I've got a Taurus Judge that I got for xmas, I use 4-10 birdshot and buckshot with it. Would it be exempted? Doesn't sound like it.

This bill is to counter any gun control measures aimed at or semiauto weapons. Revolvers are in no danger at this point.

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