obama's Atrocious Record AGAINST Our Second Amendment

TWG2A said:

Not one person here can {honestly} deny the facts abotu obama. He IS a marxist. He HAS committed these atrocious infringements.

That is the point.

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Ok, so what? Aside from his dedicated sycophants, everyone will admit that. However, if you want to talk about TODAY, neither Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich is trustworthy on the 2A. Santorum may be a tad bit better, but even if he had all the angels and saints praying for him, he still wouldn't have snowball's chance in hell of beating Obama. The only candidate who is a reliable defender of the 2A is Ron Paul. But, everyone with a brain already knows that.

Again, what is the point to your Limbaugh-ish screeds?

ManInBlack said:

Ok, so what? Aside from his dedicated sycophants, everyone will admit that. However, if you want to talk about TODAY, neither Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich is trustworthy on the 2A. Santorum may be a tad bit better, but even if he had all the angels and saints praying for him, he still wouldn't have snowball's chance in hell of beating Obama. The only candidate who is a reliable defender of the 2A is Ron Paul. But, everyone with a brain already knows that.

Again, what is the point to your Limbaugh-ish screeds?

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Why is this so difficult for you to follow?

I don't like gingrich and romney, either. But THEY are not the subject of the original post. Start a thread about gingrich and romney if you want to discuss them.

One more time.... this thread is about OBAMA and his record. Please stop deflecting.

TWG2A said:

Why is this so difficult for you to follow?

I don't like gingrich and romney, either. But THEY are not the subject of the original post. Start a thread about gingrich and romney if you want to discuss them.


One more time.... this thread is about OBAMA and his record. Please stop deflecting.

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No one is deflecting, just using their brains to show you that not one person is the problem. Obama a Marxist I agree but so are most "conservatives". They are all bad, yet the one true conservative who happens to believe in our liberal rights as well is demonized by other "conservatives". Just voting Obama out is not the solution, so I must ask why are you hung up so much on this one Marxist and not so willing to point out or even want the Marxist/fascism of the other candidates pointed out?

If you are not open for "discussion" than why start a thread on an open forum about it? Do I wanna see another 4 years of Obama, nope, but I fear having a socialist/neocon/fascist like Romney/Gingrich or Santorum in the house with 2 years of neocon/socialist/fascist congress and senate may be worse....

So who are you supporting we all have been honest and open about who we support?

Obama and 2A

I agree with SVG - if you're not willing to allow discourse on your comment then the exercise is merely a rant or blog entry to make you feel better.

The main topic of your entry is Obama and his anti-gun attitude, but then you complain that everyone looks at history and not what's going on NOW.

But most of your writing is history-based.

If we agree with you and include ''...and this guy was no better..." where's the beef?

Once again,...... The post is about OBAMA's RECORD.

AS I have stated, we're hearing a lot of glassy eyeds saying things like "obama is pro second amendment" and "obama hasn't done anything to take our Second Amendment rights away".

Those statements are totally untrue. My post is about proving they are untrue. It is NOT about who I support in the 2012 so-called "elections", and the history of infringements against our rights. One could write an entire trilogy about those issues. That is not what the original post is about. IT IS ABOUT OBAMA.

The post is about OBAMA and his record, and how untrue it is to say that he hasn't done anything to infringe on our second amendment rights. It's purpose is to give those who CARE about it some factual information so that they can show others that he HAS, in FACT, infringed on our rights. It is simply a compilation of his record.

There are plenty of campaign threads here and elsewhere in the ether. That's not the purpose of this post. THE POST IS ABOUT OBAMA'S RECORD. I'll scream about other people on other threads and in other forums.

This post is intened to provide information for those who need it when some glassy eyed fool tries to say obama hasn't done these things.

Jack House said:

You obviously don't read the forums very much.

BrettaFS92Lady and one other guy, can't remember exactly, pop into mind immediately. I'm sure there's others. A lot of people say that.

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I never stated that President Obama is pro-2nd Amendment. I stated that it is a matter of what he would like to do v. what he can do.

I wonder though, if President Obama can just sign an Executive Order to ban firearms then why hasn't he just done it? Let me guess, he is waiting until he is reelected, right? And then what happens if he doesn't do it then?--some other breed of tin-foil hattery?

TWG2A said:

Once again,...... The post is about OBAMA's RECORD.

AS I have stated, we're hearing a lot of glassy eyeds saying things like "obama is pro second amendment" and "obama hasn't done anything to take our Second Amendment rights away".

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I've seen you post those statements more in this thread than I have seen the top-3 OCDO Obamatons post them in the last year.

TWG2A said:

The ONLY "people" with more rights under this marxist regime are islamic terrorists and other criminals. In their case, this regime has "given" them rights they would not have under our Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

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I think you should lay off the coffee a bit.

So, you don't consider Marxists, Islamic terrorists, and Criminals, people?

Marxists are not necessarily criminals, unless you have some information that would convince us all that the majority of Marxists (at least) are criminals.

Criminals have always had Rights, even prior to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Yes, they are afforded their Constitutional Rights but ought not all of us be afforded those Rights if we are charged with a crime?

***It can be a dangerous thing to start picking and choosing who has Constitutional Rights and who does not. Once that arguement ensues then the whole notion of Feundamental Rights, and the Constitution merely Affirming Rights is moot.

I really think you should reconsider your position.

I have stated that Constitutional Rights are bestowed, and some don't agree with me. What I do not agree with is the picking-of who is bestowed those Rights, and who is denied those Rights; although, it is under the Power of the Government to pick-and-choose if they see fit, I suppose.

TWG2A said:

You glassy eyeds need to put down your crack pipes for a moment and get a clue.

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Is this your idea of a contribution to a discussion?

Personally, I have never smoked Crack. I think we are all sober enough here to discuss whether or not President Obama is going to ban firearms now or after he is reelected.

Then stick to the point.

The point IS that obama has an atrocious record with regard to gun rights.

Stop trying to deflect. The information posted is intended for those who need "ammo" against you and your fellow glassy eyeds. You can't argue one bit of it, so you try to deflect. SO predictable

TWG2A said:

Then stick to the point.

The point IS that obama has an atrocious record with regard to gun rights.

Stop trying to deflect. The information posted is intended for those who need "ammo" against you and your fellow glassy eyeds. You can't argue one bit of it, so you try to deflect. SO predictable

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You have accused a number of people of "deflection," what part of my posts are deflective?

Point out to me what he has done since he has been in office, that is, to ban firearms.

Will President Obama ban firearms...I don't know--I will state that it is not likely. He's only the President.

Below, the NRA can only explain why President Obama is hands-off on the firearms issue by stating that President Obama has a conspiracy formulated to get reelected, then he will ban firearms.

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In the eyes of National Rifle Association (NRA) executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, President Barack Obama’s decision not to pursue gun control legislation is a “massive conspiracy,” and just another reason not to give him a second term.
“[The Obama campaign] will say gun owners — they’ll say they left them alone,” LaPierre told an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Friday. “In public, he’ll remind us that he’s put off calls from his party to renew the Clinton [assault weapons] ban, he hasn’t pushed for new gun control laws… The president will offer the Second Amendment lip service and hit the campaign trail saying he’s actually been good for the Second Amendment.”
“But it’s a big fat stinking lie!” the NRA leader exclaimed. “It’s all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and destroy the Second Amendment in our country.”
“Obama himself is no fool. So when he got elected, they concocted a scheme to stay away from the gun issue, lull gun owners to sleep and play us for fools in 2012. Well, gun owners are not fools and we are not fooled,” La Pierre declared.
“Sotomayor, Kagan, Fast & Furious, the United Nations, executive orders. Those are the facts we face today… President Obama and his cohorts, yeah, they’re going to deny their conspiracy to fool gun owners. Some in the liberal media, they are already probably blogging about it. But we don’t care because the lying, conniving Obama crowd can kiss our Constitution!”"
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/nra-claims-massive-obama-conspiracy-not-to-ban-guns/

▪ In March, 2009 the DoD ‘revised’ its policy on the disposal of once-fired brass. Instead of selling it to consumers and domestic agencies for reloading, all once-fired brass from the military would be shredded and sold as scrap. This policy was reversed fairly quickly after outraged shooters contacted their legislators and Senators Tester and Baucus (both D-MT) faxed a letter to the DoD asking them to change the policy. The fact that Senator Tester was Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee might have had something to do with the quick volte-face.

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I would like to know how this is 2nd Amendment related? Is it anti-2nd Amendment for the Government to dispose of military brass as they see fit? And the fact that they later decided to continue the policy of selling the brass, that doesn't appear to be anti-2nd Amendment, that seems to be in support of the selling of military brass to citizens. Appears to be much about nothing.

▪ In April of 2009, President Obama announced he wanted the Senate to ratify the Inter-American Convention Against The Illicit Manufacturing Of And Trafficking In Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, And Other Related Materials (called by its Spanish acronym of CIFTA for obvious reasons). A close look at the Definitions section of the treaty reveals that it would require a government license for “the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials”. That doesn’t sound too bad, right? I mean we sort of have that now, don’t we? But the devil, as they say, is in the details. Or, in this case, the definitions, because the way they’re written, you could be required to get a government license to reload ammo, add or change out a scope on a rifle, replace a factory trigger with an upgraded one, or even so much as load a weapon. Preposterous you say? Look at how they define “other related materials.” Go ahead, I’ll wait. Back? Okay, when they say “any component, part, or replacement part of a firearm, or an accessory which can be attached to a firearm” you think an anti-gun administration wouldn’t say that applies to magazines and ammo? So – technically – putting rounds in a mag or a mag in a weapon would constitute “assembly” which would require a license. So how much will the license cost? What will the application process be? Will it be “shall-issue” or “may-issue”? How long will it be good for? How much will it cost to renew? All of these details could be used to drastically reduce gun ownership.

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This has been floating around for years now. CIFTA has not been signed, and if it was signed, Congress would have to vote on it. Again, fear-mongering, period.

Personally, I think there are a few individuals on here that could have come up with a much better list--minus the fluff.

TWG2A said:

You glassy eyeds need to put down your crack pipes for a moment and get a clue.

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Irony is a member who joined a gun rights forum in April 2010 thinking he is providing new and interesting information on the anti-gun positions of a president who was elected in November 2008, and then telling other members who offer alternate perspectives that they need to focus on the present.

Obviously you're incapable of sticking to the point.

Read the first post.

For everyone else, please feel free to use the information in the initial post against anyone and everyone who attempts to defend or deflect obama's record on the issue of our Second Amendment. Facts are stubborn things, and they can't argue them. Don't allow them to deflect.

ManInBlack said:

Irony is a member who joined a gun rights forum in April 2010 thinking he is providing new and interesting information on the anti-gun positions of a president who was elected in November 2008, and then telling other members who offer alternate perspectives that they need to focus on the present.

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I wish someone would put together a more current list of anti-2nd Amendment policies by this Administration.

"Fast and Furious?" That can be number one, if someone can track it back to the President, and maybe get some quotes by him.

"The point IS that obama has an atrocious record with regard to gun rights."

Facts not in evidence. He hasn't signed off on any legislation that has impacted my ability to purchase or carry my firearms in any way except now I can carry in National Parks (where state laws allow).

beebobby said:

"The point IS that obama has an atrocious record with regard to gun rights."

Facts not in evidence. He hasn't signed off on any legislation that has impacted my ability to purchase or carry my firearms in any way except now I can carry in National Parks (where state laws allow).

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That is one irony, is that now, under the Obama Administration, I can now carry in National Parks. Not very anti-2nd Amendment, IMO. I dig it, personally.

Also, there was complete Democrat control in the House, Senate, and White House from 08-010, and they did nothing to restrict firearms; you would think that if that is what they wanted to do, it would have been done. The whole notion that pro-2nd Amendment is merely a Republican thing is just nonsense.

TWG2A, you need to learn how a forum works, no one stays exactly on the point of the original post and if you don't like it start a blog. We take your original post and discuss it and points that are similar and compare to it

TWG2A said:

Why is this so difficult for you to follow?

I don't like gingrich and romney, either. But THEY are not the subject of the original post. Start a thread about gingrich and romney if you want to discuss them.

One more time.... this thread is about OBAMA and his record. Please stop deflecting.

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Someone writes a well thought out comment and the only way you can respond is to insult, belittle and demand they "stop deflecting."


Mkay.

TWG2A said:

Hey hardy... I know EXACTLY how it works, and I've been fightig you a holes for a long fng time

I DO have my own blog, and if you want to know how I REALLY feel about you aholes, you can find me at THEWAKINGGIANT

F/U

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You get yourself pretty worked up over these things, don't you.

I see where we have parted, you view a discussion as a fight, and I view a discussion as...you guessed it, a discussion.

You ought to tell us all how you actually feel about all of us, on here. I am excited to read it, to be honest with you.

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