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My Civil Rights may have been violated this evening....

Savioso702

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My civil rights may have been violated this evening... After being harassed by someone who apparently works for the probation department concerning my open carry. The Las Vegas Marshal Service arrived to clarify the argument and it was confirmed that I was within my legal rights to open carry in the area I was being harassed in. However, according to the Las Vegas Marshal Service Las Vegas Metro had no record of me having any firearms registered in my name EVER..... ********!!!! I have ALWAYS registered my firearms with the Las Vegas Metro Northwest Area Command's firearms registration department. Despite having my blue card issued by Las Vegas Metro's own Northwest Area Command the Las Vegas Marshal Service cited me for carrying an unregistered hand gun and confiscated my gun, magazine and 21 rounds of ammo (20 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber). After they already stated that I had not broken any law by open carrying I do not believe they had grounds to confiscate my property. Does anyone in Vegas know a good Civil Rights Attorney?
 

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What did you do in the way of, perhaps, acting out that caused this? Nothing?

Nothing I was there to simply pick up my kids from baseball practice. The guy who called the Marshal Service harassed me once the week before in front of other parents regarding it but I paid him no mind as I had already cleared it with Metro Clark County Sheriffs Office and the Las Vegas Marshal Service. He started in again and i spoke up as to not allow him to verbally bash me in front of my kids or the other parents again.
 

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Don't know the Nevada law but is the "Blue Card" a form that verifies registration or is it something else?

If the "Blue Card" is verification it should be simple to clear up with the courts providing the gun you were carrying appears on the registration list.

About the Civil actions - I would press hard for a thorough explanation as to why it happened and what will be done to assure it never happens again. You may only have the court/judge to address but I would want to make sure this Marshal (person) gains a better understanding of the law.

If when you go to court with the Judge and Marshal present, I'd present the question in a very pubic manner to the Judge making sure the Marshal hears exactly what you ask. I'd also make sure it is a very pointed and direct question about the actions of the Marshal.
 

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Don't know the Nevada law but is the "Blue Card" a form that verifies registration or is it something else?

If the "Blue Card" is verification it should be simple to clear up with the courts providing the gun you were carrying appears on the registration list.

About the Civil actions - I would press hard for a thorough explanation as to why it happened and what will be done to assure it never happens again. You may only have the court/judge to address but I would want to make sure this Marshal (person) gains a better understanding of the law.

If when you go to court with the Judge and Marshal present, I'd present the question in a very pubic manner to the Judge making sure the Marshal hears exactly what you ask. I'd also make sure it is a very pointed and direct question about the actions of the Marshal.
Also would have a good 2A/RKBA attorney at my side leading the show.
 

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Nothing I was there to simply pick up my kids from baseball practice. The guy who called the Marshal Service harassed me once the week before in front of other parents regarding it but I paid him no mind as I had already cleared it with Metro Clark County Sheriffs Office and the Las Vegas Marshal Service. He started in again and i spoke up as to not allow him to verbally bash me in front of my kids or the other parents again.

Well at the very least if they confiscated your gun without cause it's theft. File and get an attorney. Collect damages. Stick out tongue, buy a nice present for yourself and fam.

Did they give you a receipt for the gun and ammo?

Good luck!
 

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Don't know the Nevada law but is the "Blue Card" a form that verifies registration or is it something else?

If the "Blue Card" is verification it should be simple to clear up with the courts providing the gun you were carrying appears on the registration list.

You would think so, but not true. We have proven several times that the local gov fails to enter the info, or even gets the info wrong. There is no requirement to carry the blue card it is merely a receipt. Many of us shred them and mail them back to the cop shop. The nra and the state nra agency have done nothing to help rid us of this.

I suspect the same will be the case here.
 

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Savioso, while an interesting read, if you do intend to pursue legal action, I highly recommend you remove or heavily redact all posts right now pertaining to the situation.

I wouldnt delete it. We have had a few instances like this over the past few years. Kept the post and details up and lots of folks helped and got the issues solved.
 

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NV has gun registration? Good grief! :s

CT also has gun reg. and to send forms upon buying a gun. They have none from me.

My state has already said that they will check their "lists" when responding to any complaint and adjust their response if you own a gun.

Pure fascism in gun registration.

And the OP's experience is likely not unique .. they "lost" his "registration" and they stole his gun and cited him with a violation of the law.

I don't know if the blue card is evidence that you registered the gun or not (could go either way really...its a ? of law - something to consult an attorney for).

And it shows that with all these goofy gun laws (none of which are valid) one needs to be a supreme court justice just to own.

Good luck to the OP.
 
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MAC702

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Get a pro-gun lawyer immediately. Either Ben Bunker or someone he recommends.

Litigate this! Please! We NEED to start putting them in their place by victims willing to pursue the legal crap.

I will help in any way I can, either as a state-recognized expert witness, and/or with donations to the lawyer if needed.

Seems to me this is the PERFECT situation for the Nevada Firearms Coalition to champion and TAKE THE LEAD on.

I think EVERY MEMBER here in Clark County should be calling the police to verify the registration on their handguns, or at least the one you carry. Can you imagine the scene? At first they will wonder why we are doing it, and then they will have phone records (as will you, to help the OP) of how many have NOT been put into the system. Anyone want to start a formal betting pool on the percentage of FAILURES of the system?
 
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I think EVERY MEMBER here in Clark County should be calling the police to verify the registration on their handguns, or at least the one you carry. ..

Get a copy through a record request .. hard to say they did not have it then....with all gov't required forms I always get a file stamped copy (even my 1040's).
 

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Grapeshot said:
Also would have a good 2A/RKBA attorney at my side leading the show.

Well, I wasn't suggesting the presence or absence of an attorney but since you brought it up...

Why is it that everyone feels the need for a $500.00/hour representative to simply state the law that the OP has already indicated? I realize there are times when the knowledge of the law will make a very significant difference, but this doesn't seem like one.

I would like to believe that citizens of the United States do not have to prove their worthiness by affording an attorney to speak for them. I have not been in the situation yet and hope I never am but I do hope that our system would work as we expect.

Dig through the BS and present the detailed facts as you know...see what happens. I am not a believer that money should affect the outcome.
 
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MAC702

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Well, I wasn't suggesting the presence or absence of an attorney but since you brought it up...

Why is it that everyone feels the need for a $500.00/hour representative to simply state the law that the OP has already indicated? I realize there are times when the knowledge of the law will make a very significant difference, but this doesn't seem like one.

I would like to believe that citizens of the United States do not have to prove their worthiness by affording an attorney to speak for them. I have not been in the situation yet and hope I never am but I do hope that our system would work as we expect.

Dig through the BS and present the detailed facts as you know...see what happens. I am not a believer that money should affect the outcome.

While I agree with you on principle, the attorney isn't just to cite the easy law, but to do the necessary and complicated paperwork and see that it is filed correctly.
 

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CT also has gun reg. and to send forms upon buying a gun. They have none from me.

My state has already said that they will check their "lists" when responding to any complaint and adjust their response if you own a gun.

Pure fascism in gun registration.

And the OP's experience is likely not unique .. they "lost" his "registration" and they stole his gun and cited him with a violation of the law.

I don't know if the blue card is evidence that you registered the gun or not (could go either way really...its a ? of law - something to consult an attorney for).

And it shows that with all these goofy gun laws (none of which are valid) one needs to be a supreme court justice just to own.

Good luck to the OP.

Almost right. Yes, they stole his gun but as the 'law' he broke was a violation of the Constitution it's therefore void and the cite which certainly is or includes a demand for money is pure extortion. Lets call things what they are instead of politically correct euphemisms.
 

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While I agree with you on principle, the attorney isn't just to cite the easy law, but to do the necessary and complicated paperwork and see that it is filed correctly.

I have filed numerous court cases, lower courts & appellate courts, pro se.

The law is the law and facts is facts. But how to get the facts to the ear of the court is an art.

Motions to strike, motions to dismiss, objections and all that is where it gets beyond most people.

What should the complaint have, what shouldn't it have; what answers should have and what they cannot have. How to handle depositions, etc. is where most people cannot understand how to properly handle their case.

Its not beyond an average person to do but it is a learning curve. Expect to spend 40 hrs creating a complaint.
 
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Almost right. Yes, they stole his gun but as the 'law' he broke was a violation of the Constitution it's therefore void and the cite which certainly is or includes a demand for money is pure extortion. Lets call things what they are instead of politically correct euphemisms.
Would sincerely hope that his defense consists of more than that.
 

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Would sincerely hope that his defense consists of more than that.

Well no it would include case law proving any and all restrictions on the bearing of arms are illegal and it would also prove the only ruling that can even have effect under the Constitution is an affirmation of constitutional rights.
 

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Well no it would include case law proving any and all restrictions on the bearing of arms are illegal and it would also prove the only ruling that can even have effect under the Constitution is an affirmation of constitutional rights.
Wish you luck. Were it that simple/direct it would have been accomplished a looong time ago.
 
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