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Detroit Police Station shooting CCTV Video

usamarshal

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Looks like the suspect was shot point blank....then collapsed about 6-10 seconds later...wonder what caliber round the officer used that hit the suspect?
 

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A very disturbing video and traumatic event for those officers to deal with. Thankfully no officer lost his life that day. Hopefully all of us will take the lesson that you can never let your situational awareness drop for even a second.
 

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Damn.......

Does anyone know how many were hit? I counted at least 3. 2 at the beginning, and then the one who shot the shooter.
 

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By departmental Policy they use those garbage Federal hollow points with the rubber inserts. Many man many failures have been reported and the city refuses to change policy. They have reported shootings where the perp was hit multiple times with no effect. As this perp took many round to the torso all would have been one shot stops if they had used corbons or a similar round. The officers all had .40 Glocks or now Smith and Wesson M&P's if they have been retrained for the M&P.

Note the Perp walked past 3 Female black officers and only shot the white officers till he was engaged by others, and forced to return fire.

This human waste was raided the night before on Rape, imprisonment, and kidnapping of a 13 year old he kept hostage and raped repeatedly for several days.

Thank GOD no officers died and I wish and pray for a speedy recovery.



Looks like the suspect was shot point blank....then collapsed about 6-10 seconds later...wonder what caliber round the officer used that hit the suspect?
 

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It is a lesson in common sense. 1. No one questioned or stopped this perp walking in with a shotgun and he walked past several officers. No situational awareness there.
Anyone trained can see a man has a long gun under a jacket, note it wasn't a full coat only a jacket! Real bad situational awareness.

2. Those Federal rubber filled hollow points are trash! I have talked to Federal myself years ago on this and the Detroit complaints, Federal kept defending it's "position" and ignored my data on the shootings where perps were hit in the chest and the bullet literally bounced off! Yes it bounced off of an M-5 military surplus field issue jacket. Many shootings where these rubber bullets bounced off car windows. Bet my Corbons won't! And none of my personally loaded rounds either.

The reason for the rubber filled hollow points are PURELY political. This is cowardice on the part of every Mayor and city council since Coleman A. Youngs pronouncement of no hollow points way back in history. No mayor since then has the intestinal fortitude and spine to say enough is enough and have the courage to break ranks with the Black Panther mentality and choose rounds that actually work. None of the city council members or mayors are intelligent enough to grasp the concept that a one shot stopper hollow point is ACTUALLY more survivable that being hit 15 times with these useless rubber filled bullets. They are not smart enough to realize it is easier to stop bleeding in one or two holes and repair the person that stop the bleeding in 6 to 15 holes, and have enough time to surgically repair them.

So literally the City council and Mayors are giving a death sentence to most perps shot by the Police in their city, because that GOLDEN HOUR is lost by the many wounds suffered.

Lets call it what it is, there is tons of shooting data kept by the NIJ (National Institute of Justice) on the multiple impact shootings and almost 90% are not survivable. Lets call out the City Councils and Mayors as responsible for bad policy that leads to MORE deaths of perps and officers.





A very disturbing video and traumatic event for those officers to deal with. Thankfully no officer lost his life that day. Hopefully all of us will take the lesson that you can never let your situational awareness drop for even a second.
 

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Suggestions for Detroit:

1. Consider installing a bullet resistant partition at the desk.
2. Reassess the effectiveness of the ammo currently being used.
3. Don't violate Michigan law in the process.
 

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Yea, I used to work at a county sheriff's office back in the day that went from the standard hollow points to the the frangible type. There was no way I was going to put that crap in my firearm because the sheriff was worried about over penitration. I had a superior get pissed off at me because of it and said that I could killed someone if I used the standard hollow points...I was said, Isn't that the point sir? Yea, I didn't stay there long after that...haha

By departmental Policy they use those garbage Federal hollow points with the rubber inserts. Many man many failures have been reported and the city refuses to change policy. They have reported shootings where the perp was hit multiple times with no effect. As this perp took many round to the torso all would have been one shot stops if they had used corbons or a similar round. The officers all had .40 Glocks or now Smith and Wesson M&P's if they have been retrained for the M&P.

Note the Perp walked past 3 Female black officers and only shot the white officers till he was engaged by others, and forced to return fire.

This human waste was raided the night before on Rape, imprisonment, and kidnapping of a 13 year old he kept hostage and raped repeatedly for several days.

Thank GOD no officers died and I wish and pray for a speedy recovery.
 

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My instructor for my class today is a DPD officer, and we talked at length about this situation. He said that the perp was shot 5 times; twice in the hand, twice in the arm/shoulder, and once under the armpit, which was the kill shot.
 

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By departmental Policy they use those garbage Federal hollow points with the rubber inserts. Many man many failures have been reported and the city refuses to change policy. They have reported shootings where the perp was hit multiple times with no effect. As this perp took many round to the torso all would have been one shot stops if they had used corbons or a similar round. The officers all had .40 Glocks or now Smith and Wesson M&P's if they have been retrained for the M&P.

Note the Perp walked past 3 Female black officers and only shot the white officers till he was engaged by others, and forced to return fire.

This human waste was raided the night before on Rape, imprisonment, and kidnapping of a 13 year old he kept hostage and raped repeatedly for several days.

Thank GOD no officers died and I wish and pray for a speedy recovery.

Bailenforcer, thank you so much for clearing that part up about DPD's ammo. I watched the video for the first time on the news last night and was in utter horror because Moore wouldn’t go down with one shot and I couldn’t understand why. I mean he kept the fighting intensity up until he just slumped over and collapsed. And viewing the footage, I couldn’t point to the single definitive shot that put him down, he seemed unphased by any of the five shots.

I was afraid my ammo would be just as ineffective in a self defense shooting.
 

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Federal Hallow points with Rubber Inserts.

I use Hornady Critical Defense in conjunction with SPEER Gold Dots. Does Hornady also have problems I'm not aware of?
 

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Looks like the suspect was shot point blank....then collapsed about 6-10 seconds later...wonder what caliber round the officer used that hit the suspect?

.40s&w
Most if not all officers carry the new M&P's, I don't know of any officers that don't, maybe some desk jockeys still have the Glocks. Also some "beat" cops I know use either Gold Dots or HSTs in the magazine/barrel in their firearm, and keep the DPD crap in their spare mags for checks. Most get away with it.
 

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This story and video are OBVIOUSLY made-up and completely fictional...

1) It is against Michigan law to carry a long gun concealed,

2) it is against State and City codes to discharge a firearm in a reckless manner,

3) murder, and attempted murder are illegal under Michigan law,

4) it is against the law to transport a loaded firearm in Michigan unless the person has a CPL.

So with all these laws that are designed to prevent this sort of thing, any rational person can see that there is simply NO WAY that this event occurred as reported. Because everyone knows that laws don't punish or restrict law-abiding citizens--they ONLY punish and restrict criminals, and EVERYONE knows that criminals actually obey these laws and restrictions...

[sarcarsm OFF]
 

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wow, this video sickened me. you can see the utter panic set in for the officers caught completely off guard. i can't even imagine.

I don't know that I'd call it panic, more like fight or flight adrenalin. In my experience with defending myself against deadly sized dogs, in those circumstances where I got completely caught off guard, there was no time for panic or fear, only time for action. If you don't see the attack coming, time perception slows down and you act fast, and focus hard on the very next thing you need to do, pretty much disregarding what's already happened until it's all over. After that, all the other emotions come in. I've never heard anyone who got attacked by complete surprise say anything any different, at least not among those who know how to defend themselves, and did so. It's very much like when you have to slam on the brakes to try to avoid hitting another vehicle. It doesn't churn your stomach until after it happens.

I was afraid my ammo would be just as ineffective in a self defense shooting.

Could be, even though you have better ammo. Handguns are weak, short of heavy hitting big game oriented wheel guns. Anyone who hunts has probably seen animals shot lethally with hard hitting rifles and shotguns, and still manage to run like hell, not knowing they're nearly gone. Most notably for me, I saw a deer get hit by 5 HP 12 gauge slugs, then run about 70 yards, then promptly die.

You're choice of sidearm is certainly among the best. But you still want to keep shooting until the guy goes down and stops moving. A friend of a guy on another forum who I believe is a cop actually emptied a 1911 full of good ammo at a killer, then had to grab his AR to stop him, because even though mortally wounded, the killer kept coming. As I quote often, "don't stop shooting until you see brains" and "when in doubt, empty the magazine".
 

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One last note, a word of caution for anyone who believes in practicing sight picture shooting, or even point shooting from a stationary position, such as a common lane at a gun range. THIS IS WHAT A GUN FIGHT LOOKS LIKE! Quick convulsively gripped one handed shots from cover, absolutely no consideration for the sights, moving all around cover. These guys did exactly what they needed to do, and it's the reason they are alive. Practicing to the contrary could easily get you killed.

If you can't find a range that will allow you to practice in a manner which is consistent with the way shootings actually happen, shoot outdoors, use state land if you have to. Evil Creamsicle and I for example like a spot of land just down the road from the Pit. Bring objects to use as pretend cover, run all around, and never spend more than half your time doing defensive target practice while using the sights. Also, if possible also do airsoft and/or simunitions practice. THIS is what can make the difference, not bulls----ing yourself that you should "focus on the front sight"
 
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yea a number I know do the same thing, they carry real ammo in the gun, and that issue crap in a spare mag.

It is very sad that Politics wins over the lives of the officers every time. Frankly the people need to make their opinions known.



.40s&w
Most if not all officers carry the new M&P's, I don't know of any officers that don't, maybe some desk jockeys still have the Glocks. Also some "beat" cops I know use either Gold Dots or HSTs in the magazine/barrel in their firearm, and keep the DPD crap in their spare mags for checks. Most get away with it.
 

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An officer should be able to use a round that is as effective as possible, that he is able to handle correctly and qualify with. For me a 10MM and a 357 snub. is my minimum if I am back working the streets. Today I still like my Browning Hi-Power practical with the 5 inch barrel and 115 grain corbons at 1426 FPS chrono'd, backed up with nothing less than a S&W Model 19 2.5 inch loaded with some hot 125 grain JHP's
I can shoot both with precision and till the cows come if if the need arises. I refuse to be a victim.


Yea, I used to work at a county sheriff's office back in the day that went from the standard hollow points to the the frangible type. There was no way I was going to put that crap in my firearm because the sheriff was worried about over penitration. I had a superior get pissed off at me because of it and said that I could killed someone if I used the standard hollow points...I was said, Isn't that the point sir? Yea, I didn't stay there long after that...haha
 
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They should dump those rubber tipped bullets and stick with what works. Personally, I would've liked to have seen the officers carrying full house 10mm's or .45's.
 
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