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LEO encounter today!!

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devildoc5

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my age is irrelevant in this conotation. The thing is everyone always says "I KNEW I shoulda said or done this but I was nervous and forgot" or something similar.

I figured that if I had ACTUALLY done it at least once BEFORE I might need it that it would be easier IN CASE I ever do.

That way I dont end up being one of those that tells their whole life story to a LEO when they should have respectfully declined to comment.

Dave I didnt post this because as I was posting this the friggin kid started SCREAMING to the point that I went to see if there wa anything I could do to help calm the little booger down.

Sorry that my life does not revolve around this forum...
 
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I don't see how it was dickish at all. I don't see anything wrong with how he answered. You'd be surprised at how one word can get someone screwed over. I'd have probably answered the same.
 
sudden valley gunner

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.45ACPaddy said:
I don't see how it was dickish at all. I don't see anything wrong with how he answered. You'd be surprised at how one word can get someone screwed over. I'd have probably answered the same.
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Again to each his own. If I knew the guy just robbed a store, I'd be yea he went that way. Otherwise I am no Cop Watchdog, I wouldn't want to inadvertently help an innocent man or a man guilty of crimes I don't agree with go to jail.
 
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sudden valley gunner said:
Again to each his own. If I knew the guy just robbed a store, I'd be yea he went that way. Otherwise I am no Cop Watchdog, I wouldn't want to inadvertently help an innocent man or a man guilty of crimes I don't agree with go to jail.
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In this case, they didn't ask that. They didn't ask "Have you seen this person? Where did they go?" They just asked if he knew the person.

Define "know." Does it mean knowing them personally? Having only spoken to them once? Know who they are? Seen them once? There's many ways it could be construed, and in a situation where the question could mean many things, I'd think it's better to clam up. If they had asked if I saw the person leave, I'd have answered in the positive.
 
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.45ACPaddy said:
In this case, they didn't ask that. They didn't ask "Have you seen this person? Where did they go?" They just asked if he knew the person.

Define "know." Does it mean knowing them personally? Having only spoken to them once? Know who they are? Seen them once? There's many ways it could be construed, and in a situation where the question could mean many things, I'd think it's better to clam up. If they had asked if I saw the person leave, I'd have answered in the positive.
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If you said "yes", could they have construed it as "yes I know this person is a runaway minor"? If so, you could be an accessory to kidnapping, or aiding and abetting a fugitive. I think you did the right thing by not talking.
 
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antispam540 said:
If you said "yes", could they have construed it as "yes I know this person is a runaway minor"? If so, you could be an accessory to kidnapping, or aiding and abetting a fugitive. I think you did the right thing by not talking.
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More importantly is "Did you know that the 30 yr old guy that lives here with custody of his two kids is having sexual relations with a 15yr old runaway that has warrants?"

I have just had my eyes opened to how LEO's can misconstrue things, whether intentionally or unintentionally. No specific encounter just a "ahaa! moment" so to speak.

That vid that was posted about not talking to cops is a good one (cant remember what thread that was on.

That is not to say that I will not help LEO's locate people of interest if they ask in the future, I am just going to try and be EXTRA careful about what I do/do not say.
 
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Stand your ground when they are violating your rights. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with helping them out.

A few weeks ago, just as I was leaving for work in the morning, I saw an unmarked King Co car in front of my house. I went over and spoke to the two detectives and they showed me a pic of a lady they were looking for. Asked me if I knew who she was. I did recognize her and told them that she has been living in the house two houses down from me, and gave them some more info about her that I thought might help them find her. They were picking her up on warrants.

One of the detectives gave me his card after I told him I'd help them out in any way I could with finding her. Later, after I got to work and remembered something else about the suspect, I called the detective back, but he told me that they actually caught her coming out of her house shortly after I left.

The people living in that house have been dealing drugs for at least the past 10 years, so I was very willing to help the sherriff's department out.

Don't anyone get the idea that I'm anti-LEO, just because I'm harsh about standing up for my rights. I know what my rights are and I'm not going to let cops trample them. But I sure want to help them out if I can.

Again, stand your ground when they are violating your rights, otherwise, treat them with the respect they deserve and maybe even help them out. They have a tough job. It's up to us, when we can, to give them a hand. We're citizens. We have certain responsibilities.
 
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SpyderTattoo said:
Stand your ground when they are violating your rights. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with helping them out.

A few weeks ago, just as I was leaving for work in the morning, I saw an unmarked King Co car in front of my house. I went over and spoke to the two detectives and they showed me a pic of a lady they were looking for. Asked me if I knew who she was. I did recognize her and told them that she has been living in the house two houses down from me, and gave them some more info about her that I thought might help them find her. They were picking her up on warrants.

One of the detectives gave me his card after I told him I'd help them out in any way I could with finding her. Later, after I got to work and remembered something else about the suspect, I called the detective back, but he told me that they actually caught her coming out of her house shortly after I left.

The people living in that house have been dealing drugs for at least the past 10 years, so I was very willing to help the sherriff's department out.

Don't anyone get the idea that I'm anti-LEO, just because I'm harsh about standing up for my rights. I know what my rights are and I'm not going to let cops trample them. But I sure want to help them out if I can.

Again, stand your ground when they are violating your rights, otherwise, treat them with the respect they deserve and maybe even help them out. They have a tough job. It's up to us, when we can, to give them a hand. We're citizens. We have certain responsibilities.
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Well said Spyder.
 
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SpyderTattoo said:
Stand your ground when they are violating your rights. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with helping them out.

A few weeks ago, just as I was leaving for work in the morning, I saw an unmarked King Co car in front of my house. I went over and spoke to the two detectives and they showed me a pic of a lady they were looking for. Asked me if I knew who she was. I did recognize her and told them that she has been living in the house two houses down from me, and gave them some more info about her that I thought might help them find her. They were picking her up on warrants.

One of the detectives gave me his card after I told him I'd help them out in any way I could with finding her. Later, after I got to work and remembered something else about the suspect, I called the detective back, but he told me that they actually caught her coming out of her house shortly after I left.

The people living in that house have been dealing drugs for at least the past 10 years, so I was very willing to help the sherriff's department out.

Don't anyone get the idea that I'm anti-LEO, just because I'm harsh about standing up for my rights. I know what my rights are and I'm not going to let cops trample them. But I sure want to help them out if I can.

Again, stand your ground when they are violating your rights, otherwise, treat them with the respect they deserve and maybe even help them out. They have a tough job. It's up to us, when we can, to give them a hand. We're citizens. We have certain responsibilities.
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Very well stated.
 
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Honestly, I do see both sides of it. Either way, there are possible positives and negatives to everything. Can't knock a person for interpreting a situation as they do. My wife and I can both attest to different interpretations of a situation.

Either way, Good job, Devildoc!
 
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BigDave said:
So you like felons living next door that the police are looking for? Wonder why they were looking for them, maybe they were just involved in a shooting, drug deal gone bad, missing child but you did real good... not.

Or should I just say OVER REACTION !
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In this state if you play poker online you're a felon... Just saying.
 
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SaintJacque said:
In this state if you play poker online you're a felon... Just saying.
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Isn't that ridiculous, I was telling that to some other gun guys, they couldn't believe it. I mean really how dumb to be the only state in the union to felonize an online game.

I love my native brothers but hate the fact the Gregoire made this law (in my opinion) because of the money she got from native casino's. It really shows you what a failed political system we have. (or rather how our politicians have failed our political system)
 
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devildoc5
After seeing how your posts and actions have been treated in the past couple of days, I would suggest just refraining from posting about anything you've done. Seems like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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devildoc5

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sudden valley gunner said:
Isn't that ridiculous, I was telling that to some other gun guys, they couldn't believe it. I mean really how dumb to be the only state in the union to felonize an online game.

I love my native brothers but hate the fact the Gregoire made this law (in my opinion) because of the money she got from native casino's. It really shows you what a failed political system we have. (or rather how our politicians have failed our political system)
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Actually it is illegal in indiqana too, at least it was when I was there...couldn't even log on said I was in a state that did not authorize it or something like that...

I think not posting sounds like the best idea...seems like the attitudes and plack of respect is starting to get WAY out of control on here...
 
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sudden valley gunner said:
Gregoire made this law
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Just a small point of fact, Gregoire didn't "Make" the law. Governors, just like Presidents don't make laws. While Governors and Presidents can propose laws, the blame lies in the laps of the Legislature. THEY make laws.

In some ways we place far too much importance on the office of President and Governor and in the process ignore the idiots that have more effect on our lives. We get all flustered over who is sitting in the "big chair" and tend to overlook the crooks that sneak into a legislative seat.

With this in mind, November is in many ways a far more important election time than 2012. In short we need to worry more about those that can pass laws, and a little less on those that just propose them. Both are important but the dangers lurk in the legislative branch.
 
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