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Thundar
Regular Member
What is VCDL's Agenda? Do they deserve our support?
We know what VCDL is against.
We do not know what VCDL will promote this legislative session.
It is important that we know what they will support and what they will strongly support before we hitch a horse to their wagon.
I am not trying to start another divisive discussion, just trying to be informed and inform others about all of the VCDL Agenda.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
We know what VCDL is against.
We do not know what VCDL will promote this legislative session.
It is important that we know what they will support and what they will strongly support before we hitch a horse to their wagon.
I am not trying to start another divisive discussion, just trying to be informed and inform others about all of the VCDL Agenda.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
I don't know what VCDL's agenda is Thundar....I doubt they have more than a rough outline....It doesn't matter though. Lobby day is for everyone, lots of groups and I'm encouraging hunters to come....not to join VCDL .....rather, to show ourselves as gun owners.
There's also Sunday Hunting.
I'll encourage them to join or not, depending on VCDL positions.
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VCDL has a very extensive "wish list" from Constitutional Carry down to the mundane correction of wording efforts.
The thing that we seem to forget is VCDL does not sponsor the bills. That takes a senator or delegate who agrees with the presentation/proposal, is convinced that it stands a reasonable chance of making it through committees, both houses, and (important this year) will be veto proof.
So when you wait n' see, don't be guilty of being a fair weather friend and only stand behind VCDL when they do precisely what you want and when you want it. A lot more goes into a bill making it out of the back room than simply being on our wish list. Wish it were that easy.
The thing that we seem to forget is VCDL does not sponsor the bills. That takes a senator or delegate who agrees with the presentation/proposal, is convinced that it stands a reasonable chance of making it through committees, both houses, and (important this year) will be veto proof.
So when you wait n' see, don't be guilty of being a fair weather friend and only stand behind VCDL when they do precisely what you want and when you want it. A lot more goes into a bill making it out of the back room than simply being on our wish list. Wish it were that easy.
VaGunTrader
Regular Member
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
I would gladly trade GRNC for VCDL.
At one time WW, VCDL was what GRNC is. Young organizations simply fight harder.
I often disagree with VCDL's positions,,,there have been years when I didn't like a single thing they did. But I'm still a member because they are really the only show in town and do push for good bills.
Contrary to popular opinion, Constitutional Carry is in their sights. There's no sense in wasting much time this year and I doubt for the next four years though.
Unity...numbers and activism are important now. That's coming hard but hopefully by lobby day, we can all put our differences aside.
One doesn't have to be a member to be active. The membership doesn't nearly equal the Alerts.
There needs to be a giant WE...on lobby day.
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Marco
Regular Member
I agree with your statement but the "Quote" isn't quite accurate......
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/RKBA/2ndQuotes.php
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Thundar
Regular Member
OK, that is fair. Come and support gun rights, not VCDL.
Please reread my most previous post #4.
Thundar
Regular Member
I did read your post Grapeshot, and I tried to leave it alone.
First, it is not unreasonable to know what one is lobbying for when asked to come to Lobby Day. My question was not meant to instigate any sort of bickering, but to understand what VCDL was going to advocate for this year.
Second, I responded to Peter, who started the thread, and tried to deliver a message broader than VCDL. It was, I thought, the right approach and I agreed to it.
Third, You speak of being a VCDL fair weather friend as if we owe some sort of loyalty to VCDL. Ha! I and others like me have not abandoned VCDL. VCDL has abandoned us with their blind support of Republicans, instead of the most pro gun individuals.
Fourth, VCDL may be the only show in town for YOU, but this is certainly not the case for everybody else.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
As I was saying earlier Thundar....lobby day is not a VCDL event. We and I mean gun owners, hunters, even dog hunters
, target shooters, chippers....everyone except the nuts which have been showing up lately, need to put up a massive front.It's no secret that Grapeshot and I are friends but regardless, I have the highest respect for him and his influence with VCDL. The same for Dennis and a few others.
Not so much for a few others.
Despite any differences, if we don't fight together now....we all lose. That doesn't mean agreeing on an agenda, just a mass showing with a common FU Terry theme.
You and I both know that the only difference between a Democrat and a Republican is the Republicans throw better parties and drink more.
It won't take much crossing of party lines to ruin our day.
Please do not leave it alone. Give considered weight to the 1st & 2nd paragraphs.
Do not blame VCDL for the political climate of the GA. VCDL is already in the trenches and working diligently to accomplish whatever we can.
United we stand (numbers mean something)...........or we ain't worth spit.
mpguy
Regular Member
I really hope people come to lobby day as a whole. The gun community seems so divided lately. It's very important, we band together now more than ever.
Don't miss this one !
Though there is work to be done, it is the biggest pro party of the year - put faces to the people on line here, interact with new people/make new friends, learn from the experiences of others, and eat hearty at a selection of great restaurants.
As the date gets closer, look for people that will be looking for ride sharing. Also several charter buses are usually arranged.
We will be descending in mass from all over the state.
Though there is work to be done, it is the biggest pro party of the year - put faces to the people on line here, interact with new people/make new friends, learn from the experiences of others, and eat hearty at a selection of great restaurants.
As the date gets closer, look for people that will be looking for ride sharing. Also several charter buses are usually arranged.
Repeater
Regular Member
Grape, look at this:
HB 48 Possession of firearms following conviction of certain crimes; penalty.
Marcus B. Simon-Elect
A Gun-Grabbing bill by a Progressive newbie -- evidently this is what gun-rights activists (of all persuasions) are going to have to deal with.
As Peter said, it's gonna be a L O N G Session.
For Class 6 felonies, the jury or court already may choose imprisonment for one to five years or jail for up to 12 months and a fine of up to $2,500, either or both.
As a convicted felon, the actor could not own/possess guns already, so why this proposed legislation? Simple - it adds to the punishment AND takes the guns out of the possible hands of friends or family and with no opportunity to sell them........just forfeit them.
Sure one could petition the court for reinstatement (we already have that), but how likely when he/she is a convicted felon?
This bill is plain and simple a GUN GRAB.
V.. e.. r.. y .....L .. o .. n .. g .....S.. e.. s .. s.. i.. o.. n
Am going to have to learn to play the banjo :lol:
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Repeater
Regular Member
Yes; that will be their theme for next year. See where Simon-Elect stands on the issue that concerns US:
Gun Violence Prevention
Simon Says: "Gimme your guns or else!"
Lyndsy Simon
Regular Member
I'm planning on taking the day off work and being there bright and early. If there's anything I can do, let me know.
My plan right now is to seek out my reps and present them with my list of demands... once that's done, I'll find PVC or whomever is nearby and submit myself to their orders for the remainder of the day.
My plan right now is to seek out my reps and present them with my list of demands... once that's done, I'll find PVC or whomever is nearby and submit myself to their orders for the remainder of the day.