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Cliff's notes on OC in St. Louis area please

paul@paul-fisher.com

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At the last minute, my wife and I decided to go to St. Louis for the weekend to pick up some World Series Championship SWAG. We used to live in O'Fallon (MO) from 1992-2000 but were not active in gun issues at that time.

So.... We both have our WI and UT license and permit respectively but I prefer OC. I do know that even if posted, I have to be asked to leave in MO before I can be charged, right? Do I have to show ID on demand? Where can I NOT OC?

Any help would be appreciated.
 

Redbaron007

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As a general rule...OCing in St Louis County is off limits. They don't allow it. Outside of that, you will need to check each individual municipalities codes to see what they say. There are several cities around STL that don't allow or will allow, but only with a CCW.

Good Luck!
 

Tony4310

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You are good to go in St.Peters ( ccw required ) and St. Charles county. I know one city in the county says NO, but I can't remember the name.
 

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So... I see the AG's web site that shows WI doesn't honor MO permit, where is a list of the states that MO honors?

Missouri honors permits from all other states and political subdivisions, resident or non-resident. We're very accommodating to CC visitors.
 

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You are good to go in St.Peters ( ccw required ) and St. Charles county. I know one city in the county says NO, but I can't remember the name.

Forristell has the old hunting law still on the books.

Lake St Louis dropped the ccw requirement for their code, was a huge surprise, Doc and I searched it fairly hard wondering if they pulled a stunt and moved it or something but looks like they just dumped it completely. That was right before the picnic.
 

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As a general rule...OCing in St Louis County is off limits. They don't allow it. Outside of that, you will need to check each individual municipalities codes to see what they say. There are several cities around STL that don't allow or will allow, but only with a CCW.

Good Luck!

Could you cite where you found the information that St. Louis County does not allow OC? I OC in St. Louis County all the time, St. Louis City OC is not allowed. There are some municipalities in St. Louis County that do not allow it but there are plenty that do.
 

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Could you cite where you found the information that St. Louis County does not allow OC? I OC in St. Louis County all the time, St. Louis City OC is not allowed. There are some municipalities in St. Louis County that do not allow it but there are plenty that do.

He may have meant St. Louis City Proper.
 

Firedawg314

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you are on think ice here... st. louis

Its in their ordances (ST. Louis City)... NO Open carry unelss you are on duty (poilice, FBI, CIA, military etc). Places like; Maplewood, (I think Clayton), I believe Richman Heights, etc, will lock you up if you OC. Even with a CCW.

Yes, if the officer ask to see your CCW, show them. But in general, you can go almost anywhere CC (with your CCW).

There just too many people here in this state that loves the idea (out of sight, out of mind). So be careful.
 

mspgunner

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Its in their ordances (ST. Louis City)... NO Open carry unelss you are on duty (poilice, FBI, CIA, military etc). Places like; Maplewood, (I think Clayton), I believe Richman Heights, etc, will lock you up if you OC. Even with a CCW.

Yes, if the officer ask to see your CCW, show them. But in general, you can go almost anywhere CC (with your CCW).

There just too many people here in this state that loves the idea (out of sight, out of mind). So be careful.

At last check Claton is OK as is (or was) Ladue, Sunset Hills, Creve Coeur, and a few others.....
 

Redbaron007

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Could you cite where you found the information that St. Louis County does not allow OC? I OC in St. Louis County all the time, St. Louis City OC is not allowed. There are some municipalities in St. Louis County that do not allow it but there are plenty that do.

He may have meant St. Louis City Proper.

My bad....repomasterstl, you are correct.
 

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At last check Claton is OK as is (or was) Ladue, Sunset Hills, Creve Coeur, and a few others.....

Some people my really disagree with this statement, but it doesn't hurt. I say, its probably best to do one of two things...or even both. Call a local defense attorney in St. Louis County and/or call the police department of those cities. In general you will get a stright forward answer. Its either a "yes", or "no, but only this...etc".

Because the laws change here to quickly and each city can make changes about every other month... I would hate for you to be told "yes" from us, and you get there, only to find out that the laws changed the other day. I can't remember the city, but I want to say Maplewood. Where a man walked into a Walmart (didn't do anything wrong), but those people didn't feel comfortble of him walking in wiht a gun and basically overnight changed the law for the city that NO CC's, even with a CCW.
 

xdmcompact

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Some people my really disagree with this statement, but it doesn't hurt. I say, its probably best to do one of two things...or even both. Call a local defense attorney in St. Louis County and/or call the police department of those cities. In general you will get a stright forward answer. Its either a "yes", or "no, but only this...etc".

Because the laws change here to quickly and each city can make changes about every other month... I would hate for you to be told "yes" from us, and you get there, only to find out that the laws changed the other day. I can't remember the city, but I want to say Maplewood. Where a man walked into a Walmart (didn't do anything wrong), but those people didn't feel comfortble of him walking in wiht a gun and basically overnight changed the law for the city that NO CC's, even with a CCW.

It has been said a hundred times never ask a cop or call the police department and ask if OC is legal, 9 out of 10 will tell you it is illegal even though it is not. Your best bet is to go to the police department and ask to see the weapons offense ordinances, and or verify any new ordinances with them in person. There have been numerous people lied to by the police about what is or is not legal, funny how they can lie and get away with it. Police officers tend to insert their opinion on the matter instead of telling you what is actually legal.
 

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Calling and asking has produced basically two different results, a LIE and immediate moves to indeed make it illegal.

Firedawg I am not sure what compels you to do so, but rest assured it has a negative impact on open carry and a lot of folks who have worked pretty hard wish you would stop doing it and stop suggesting others do it as it serves no purpose.
 

paul@paul-fisher.com

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Calling and asking has produced basically two different results, a LIE and immediate moves to indeed make it illegal.

Firedawg I am not sure what compels you to do so, but rest assured it has a negative impact on open carry and a lot of folks who have worked pretty hard wish you would stop doing it and stop suggesting others do it as it serves no purpose.

I do not ask any LEO. Spent most of the weekend in St Charles County. Open carried at Waffle house in O'Fallon, Mid Rivers mall, Buffalo wild Wings in St Peters and other places. I had read the law so left it in the car at Riverport Casino. Even carried in Bass Pro shops and Cabela's.

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To all posters to whom it applies:

Cites, please!


I'm sure careful readers will quickly recognize there is no exception in the forum rules for requests for the "cliff notes" version of the law:
(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

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