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WA State Petition to secede from the Union
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thunderbolt
Regular Member
Sending a message, maybe.
People, I've been telling people about this all day. ..
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This whole whitehouse.gov/petition thing isn't what seems. This isn't a process, it's a 'poll' IF it gets enough 'votes' (25,000) the Whitehouse will make a 'statement'.
It doesn't mean anything. It's not a state-supported to secede.
Sorry, but this is just BS.
Bookman
Campaign Veteran
This kind of crap tends to make me really angry. My family has a long and proud military tradition. I, my brothers and sister, my cousins, uncles and our ancestors have served our country proudly, as have many, many others... and you want to run like a rabbit because you don't like the way the election turned out?
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bmg50cal
Regular Member
Why start more than one of these petitions, next time see if one is already started... 
At least this one has 138 sigs to that other's one.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ca-and-create-its-own-new-government/6V6VG9Q0
At least this one has 138 sigs to that other's one.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ca-and-create-its-own-new-government/6V6VG9Q0
1911er
Regular Member
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I served our country for 22 years fighting for what Americans beleive in. Why would I give up everything I have fought for just because some assh*^e gets reelected. If any state seceded from the united states all federal money would stop and state taxes would go up to cover it. If you don't like this country change it or get the frick out. Just my humble opinion.
I served our country for 22 years fighting for what Americans beleive in. Why would I give up everything I have fought for just because some assh*^e gets reelected. If any state seceded from the united states all federal money would stop and state taxes would go up to cover it. If you don't like this country change it or get the frick out. Just my humble opinion.
david.ross
Regular Member
People who sign the petition of secession should be charged with treason.
I signed this petition instead:
Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.
http://wh.gov/9FAY
I signed this petition instead:
Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.
http://wh.gov/9FAY
Schlepnier
Regular Member
Really? then people who read the declaration of independance or the US constitution should be tried for treason as well? expecially if they expect the US government to abide by "gasp" the constitution?
Since the above said document specifically allows states to suceed.
you cannot have one without the other. the declaration and the constitution are 2 parts of the whole-
The down side of course is that as a settled issue (that whole civila war thing we did back in the 1860s) you cannot have sucession without another civil war, no matter how peaceful the states may wish it. so signing your name and personal info to a petition that goes directly to the executive branch of government that is currently in the control of a marxist inspired president whose job includes taking action to prevent sucession is a pretty stupid thing to do.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/13...f-distress-and-are-more-americans-showing-it/
david.ross
Regular Member
Yes, really. Those who are wanting to states to secede are no better than the terrorists We as a People fight overseas, they're domestic terrorists trying to cause severe disruption in our political system, fueling militant groups who plan attacks on our electorates and are hell bent on depriving others of rights which don't coincide with their religious beliefs.
Charge them with treason and/or deport them.
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Bookman
Campaign Veteran
Schlepnier and david.ross - I think the word you're looking for is "secede> I believe we all want the states to succeed.
david.ross
Regular Member
hah, fixed
Schlepnier
Regular Member
Touche
at least you know what we meant....
sorry dave it isn't treason,
Section 3 defines treason and its punishment.
this is clarified as well inthe federalist papers-
In Federalist No. 43 James Madison wrote regarding the Treason Clause:
the demand to have the ability to secede is patriotism, it is based on the very founding priciples of our nation. quoted dirctly from the founding documents. it's also completely stupid to petiton the whitehouse on the matter and un-attainable in a peaceful manner because the civil war settled the issue IE-you may want to leave the union but your only going to be able to do so by force.
I do not want to see a second civil war and i pray we never do, relegating our internal battles to the realm of the "battlefield of ideas"
It took the colonists facing threat of being forcibly disarmed at concord to start the revolutonary war that created america, lets hope we never get to that point again.
BobR
Regular Member
Can't we start small? I would rather split the state at the top of the Cascades!
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david.ross
Regular Member
If a war starts, I'll join the PA state military and go to arms against the domestic terrorists who want to secede because they didn't want to get their way. I'm all for mowing down anyone wanting to commit terroristic acts just as we mowed down al-qaeda and the taliban.
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Official OCDO Statement on The Secession Petitions
I have received several reports of this post asking me to remove it as off-topic. After thinking about it, I am going to leave it since it IS about the Washington petition.
I know that a lot of people see these petitions as a vehicle for sending a message of dissatisfaction after the election.
However, I think it is important to publicly state that OCDO is NOT in support of seeing the nation torn apart.
Our vision is of an America where our Constitutional protections are fully realized for all people in all states. The ONLY way to do that is to keep America strong.
The best way to fight to system is to BECOME the system.
We do this by electing pro-liberty candidates at the local, state, and federal level.
We do this by making sure the next generation is educated about gun rights and other pro-liberty issues.
We do this by challenging violations of rights in the courts.
We do this by inviting people to go shooting.
We don't do this by taking our ball and going home.
John
I have received several reports of this post asking me to remove it as off-topic. After thinking about it, I am going to leave it since it IS about the Washington petition.
I know that a lot of people see these petitions as a vehicle for sending a message of dissatisfaction after the election.
However, I think it is important to publicly state that OCDO is NOT in support of seeing the nation torn apart.
Our vision is of an America where our Constitutional protections are fully realized for all people in all states. The ONLY way to do that is to keep America strong.
The best way to fight to system is to BECOME the system.
We do this by electing pro-liberty candidates at the local, state, and federal level.
We do this by making sure the next generation is educated about gun rights and other pro-liberty issues.
We do this by challenging violations of rights in the courts.
We do this by inviting people to go shooting.
We don't do this by taking our ball and going home.
John
Schlepnier
Regular Member
Would you do so? if the state military or government became tyranical/socialist/marxist/communist/statist etc.. and decided to remove or abandon the founding principles of the constitution? would it even be your country anymore? the second ammendmant exhists for the very reason that the people can rise up and if neccisary overthrow a government that has gone to far as a matter of last resort. you might well find yourself fighting on the wrong side of the matter if you do not think calmly and logically. it would be no different than a soldier obeying an unlawful order.
-sure its from star wars but the premise is applicable.
Fortunately we are not there yet, however the country is basically divided 50/50 in such a manner that we have not seen since the 1860s although this time states rights are less the issue as to the role, duty and restrictions the constitution places on the federal government and how they have or have not exceeded it.
Also you might want to not confuse terrorism which has a very specific definition and those who wish to secede even at the expense of an armed rebellion. the 2 are very different things.
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This is exactly why people are signing the petition. The gvt missused its power for way too long and it seems they just went too far and people are fed up. That the way they found to tell the gvt that enough is enough.
I believe the people who signed the petition do love their country just not the way it has been run for decades
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Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
What John said^^^^^^
And sometimes it just feels good to feel like you did something when you sign one of these petition.
Stop feeling helpless and get out there and do something, work for a candidate next election, participate in your parties monthly meetings, run for an office, get involved someway some how. If you just cast a vote that is better than nothing but one of the reasons obama got reelected was the feet on the ground he had us beat there. OH and OC when you are doing it, when legal to of course.
And sometimes it just feels good to feel like you did something when you sign one of these petition.
Stop feeling helpless and get out there and do something, work for a candidate next election, participate in your parties monthly meetings, run for an office, get involved someway some how. If you just cast a vote that is better than nothing but one of the reasons obama got reelected was the feet on the ground he had us beat there. OH and OC when you are doing it, when legal to of course.
Bookman
Campaign Veteran
Freedom1Man
Regular Member
Better yet, why do we demand proof that Washington was ever properly admitted to the Union.
Why does the constitution (1889), that we are running under, not appear in the congressional record?
The REAL constitution (1878) for the State of Washington is found in the congressional record.
If you want to "secede" then that means were were part of the Union in the first place. Why not bring up that we were NEVER part of the union and go ahead and work that angle? I think you'd have a batter change with that once you've done some historical research on that subject.
http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/FreedomFromTheStateofWashingtonCONstitutionThatNeverWas.asp
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
For a state to secede the state government must do it not an individual petition to the Feds.
I would be on board our state threatening to secede if they were doing so for the right reasons and for more liberty. Of course I think this was made more difficult to do since senators are now not representatives of the state as originally intended.
I am also a fan of nullification by the state and by the people in the state.
Treason! Give me a break! Only those who put nationalism over individual rights would feel this way.
I respect soldiers and warriors, there's a difference though in fighting for you country and fighting for freedom and liberty, I blame the state propaganda and war mongering politicians for the misdirection not the soldiers mostly who are very young men when they are admitted into the services.
I would be on board our state threatening to secede if they were doing so for the right reasons and for more liberty. Of course I think this was made more difficult to do since senators are now not representatives of the state as originally intended.
I am also a fan of nullification by the state and by the people in the state.
Treason! Give me a break! Only those who put nationalism over individual rights would feel this way.
I respect soldiers and warriors, there's a difference though in fighting for you country and fighting for freedom and liberty, I blame the state propaganda and war mongering politicians for the misdirection not the soldiers mostly who are very young men when they are admitted into the services.