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One day in CHP class...

spiderjohn

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The instructor said, well, when you get you CHP permit, you are not allowed to OC. I piped up and said, "That's not correct." I proceeded to impart the knowledge I learned here and gave out the web address of open carry and specifically the NC forum.
 

carry for myself

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i tried the same thin with my permit instructor. he battled me for 25 mintues. im my OWN living room. turns out he is a former cop. and didnt know his stuff haha
 

Carry24/7

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My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.
 

thebigsd

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My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.

GATTTOP? I'm pretty good with acronyms but I don't know this one....
 

mrjam2jab

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The instructor said, well, when you get you CHP permit, you are not allowed to OC. I piped up and said, "That's not correct." I proceeded to impart the knowledge I learned here and gave out the web address of open carry and specifically the NC forum.


This is one of the main reasons why I don't like "mandatory training" in order to get a carry permit. Most of the folks taking the class are new to the gun "field", and as such anything the instructor says will be taken as gospel by the students (in most cases) because "he's the instructor he must be an expert." Not knocking instructors, it's just the dynamics of the classroom setting.


Got it now. Thanks!!!

It's a NC thing that the LEO made up to scare people.
 

chiefjason

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It's a NC thing that the LEO made up to scare people.

Well, it a real common law charge. But it's nearly always used as an add on charge to someone who was already breaking the law. And we have NCSC case law saying OC is not GATTTOTP, State v Huntley. So it's real, but it's mostly overblown.


To the OP, good job.
 

edrolee

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there was a CHP instructor on a local (greenville, nc area) FM station about 3 weeks ago while he did say, when asked directly, that OC was legal he implied that in the 30sec - 2min it takes you to hide your pistol when leaving it in the car that you are in violation of the law and risk arrest.

he also stated that with the CHP that you could carry a taser concealed
 
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mattwestm

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there was a CHP instructor on a local (greenville, nc area) FM station about 3 weeks ago while he did say, when asked directly, that OC was legal he implied that in the 30sec - 2min it takes you to hide your pistol when leaving it in the car that you are in violation of the law and risk arrest.

he also stated that with the CHP that you could carry a taser concealed

What station was this on? Any idea who the guy is? He's wrong about the taser. In NC, the permit only covers handguns (hence the name Concealed Handgun Permit).
 

ocgso

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It is truly amazing and embarrasing how many instructors give their opinion over fact or law.

I was already a member here when I got my CHP, and my instructor stated "OC is legal, and you can do it if you choose. However, you will get hassled because you are scaring people. You will get arrested at some point for going armed to the terror of the public. And you will be the first one to die if the sh&% hits the fan because you are drawing that kind of attention to yourself going around acting like billy bad a$$".

So what he said was legally correct (you could get charged with gatttotp, and OC is legal) but full of his opinion.

My instructor was Kenny at Calibers indoor range. Because of his attitude, I will never spend another dollar of my money there. When I came in to sign up for the class and to qualify, he told me I needed to wait to strap that holster on until I was on the range. He then broke into a speech about how it was safer to put my gun on the shooting bench pointing down range than in my holster between firings. All while every single employee was OC behind the counter......

Sorry, just venting on the bad experience.

Good for you OP for correcting your instructor. I find that many in the CHP courses do take what their instructor says as fact and do not look for more info.
 

aosailor

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seems to me there are a bunch of bad/stupid instructors out there..... I took my CHP class a few weeks after I came home from the military. I was a weapons specialist and a damn good one. I knew guns and was a dead aim, but knew nothing of the laws pertaining to carrying. So I took the words of my instructor like they were gospel. I'm just glad I'm not in jail right now, because I probably should be.


He told us that you cant CC at bars. as long as you didnt sit near the bars in restaurants you were fine. but say you were having dinner with some friends at Chili's and you were CC'ing, your friends order a beer with dinner and you want one too? just unholster and put your gun on the table! now its OC'ed and you can drink a beer. It wasnt until i started reading the laws for myself, then finding this forum, that I saw the error of my ways and turned to the light :)
 

Resto Guy

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right here
Not knowing better, several years ago I asked my instructor if it was legal to carry during a declared state of emergency. He replied with "Of course you can, that's when you might need it the most." A common-sense answer, but I later learned he was wrong. Looking back, it has made me question other things I was told.
He is also a Pitt Sheriff's Deputy.
 
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mattwestm

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Not knowing better, several years ago I asked my instructor if it was legal to carry during a declared state of emergency. He replied with "Of course you can, that's when you might need it the most." A common-sense answer, but I later learned he was wrong. Looking back, it has made me question other things I was told.
He is also a Pitt Sheriff's Deputy.

I won't mention a name, but I took a NRA basic pistol class in Pitt Co. in order to obtain my Florida CWP. The guy was nice and very knowledgeable, but he released the slide on my 1911 a few times with no magazine in the gun by using the slide lock. It kind of irritated me because doing that can potentially damage the extractor.
 

papa bear

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My instructor told us from the get go that you can OC but you can and mostly likely would be arrested for GATTTOP. Then come to find out he, himself, doesn't CC at all, he only OC's. Not sure why he tells people this when he only OC's.

because he makes money at from it?

i was on NCGO a couple of days ago. and some guy was given SULTAN62 a hard time because SULTAN asked for a cite on a NC law and would not trust the opinion in the "red book" ( the NC CCH training book) the guy acted like the "red book " was the wholly bible. i find the book to be full of opinions not backed up by cites
 
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