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Should Distrust Of Government Be A Phenomenon Exclusive To Gun Owners?

davidmcbeth

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BD - using one of the most heinous examples in recent past is the actions of various "authorities" during the Katrina debaucle, the government has not given us any substantive reason TO trust them.
Then you add in the multitude of videos such as that cop in Ohio (??) threatening to kill the driver and not lose any sleep over it.
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And those are the best examples they give to offer support to trust them .... :cool:
 

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Common gun owner, and mass media misconception.

There are plenty of Anarchists (ironically), Socialists (ironically), Communists (ironically), and many other who have a deep distrust for Government. Distrust for Government is common, and seems to accompany the group on the losing end of the previous election.--not always the case, though.
 

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Common gun owner, and mass media misconception.

There are plenty of Anarchists (ironically), Socialists (ironically), Communists (ironically), and many other who have a deep distrust for Government. Distrust for Government is common, and seems to accompany the group on the losing end of the previous election.--not always the case, though.

Freedom has been on the losing side of every national election since I started to follow politics when Bill Clinton wasw in office.

If you disagree name one measure that increased individual freedom and lessened the burden of government on a national level.

There may be some, but I can't think of any.
 

davidmcbeth

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Freedom has been on the losing side of every national election since I started to follow politics when Bill Clinton wasw in office.

If you disagree name one measure that increased individual freedom and lessened the burden of government on a national level.

There may be some, but I can't think of any.

Gvo't cannot make you free-er !
 

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Common gun owner, and mass media misconception.

There are plenty of Anarchists (ironically), Socialists (ironically), Communists (ironically), and many other who have a deep distrust for Government. Distrust for Government is common, and seems to accompany the group on the losing end of the previous election.--not always the case, though.
For whom do those anarchists, socialists, and communists vote into office? They all being liberal, as you are, they are very likely not going to vote for liberty-centric candidates. I have a high level of confidence, that if they do vote, they vote with their liberal anti-liberty and anti-citizen brethren, again, such as yourself.
 

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The distrust of government is a fundamental pillar of Americanism, quintessential and absolutely a requirement of being American. We see this in our three founding documents and the writings of our Founders so this is not some lame assertion but rather a statement of fact based upon our beginnings and upon those who formed and built this country in its earliest times.

This means to not distrust government equates to something un-American and altogether foreign to our native concept of a self-governed nation.
 

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The distrust of government is a fundamental pillar of Americanism, quintessential and absolutely a requirement of being American. We see this in our three founding documents and the writings of our Founders so this is not some lame assertion but rather a statement of fact based upon our beginnings and upon those who formed and built this country in its earliest times.

This means to not distrust government equates to something un-American and altogether foreign to our native concept of a self-governed nation.

+1

Great Article Black Dragon!
 

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<snip> This means to not distrust government equates to something un-American and altogether foreign to our native concept of a self-governed nation.
Trusting government to perform its constitutional duties is as American as you can get. Distrusting government when "it" tries to expand the definition of "constitutional duties" is as American as you can get.

Trusting government to perform my duties, as liberals advocate that government must do, for my own good, based solely on the liberal view that only government can do, is un-American. Thus, liberals are un-American.
 

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There are plenty of Anarchists (ironically), Socialists (ironically), Communists (ironically), and many other who have a deep distrust for Government. Distrust for Government is common, and seems to accompany the group on the losing end of the previous election.--not always the case, though.

Wait, wait.... Help me with this one:

What, pray tell, is ironic about an anarchist distrusting government?

You're right about the election thing though. Both sides are every bit as guilty as the other: I didn't hear a peep about lost liberties from the right during Bush II's reign, nor have I heard a peep about lost liberties from the left during Dear Leader's reign.

This is why I pretty much tune anybody out when they talk about how dumb "liberals" or "conservatives" are. The simple fact that a person has this sort of artificially binary worldview is, in my experience, pretty much a guarantee that they're perpetrators of this tendency.
 
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For whom do those anarchists, socialists, and communists vote into office? They all being liberal, as you are, they are very likely not going to vote for liberty-centric candidates. I have a high level of confidence, that if they do vote, they vote with their liberal anti-liberty and anti-citizen brethren, again, such as yourself.

What gives you the impression that Anarchists are liberal, and vote anti-liberty? I would seriously dispute the assertation. Rather, I put forth that Anarchy is the ultimate pro-freedom ideal, where one is free to do as he so chooses and must only suffer the consequenses of any untoward actions by punishment from the offended.

Anarchy is an unlikely state, as much of the world is too dumb and too attached to their governments, but it's a nice ideal.

Anything BUT anti-liberty.
 

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Anarchists, in my view, and by their actions, do not respect our constitution while at the same time use it to their own unlawful ends. As a liberty minded individual I will use our republican form of government to affect change within the confines of the law.
 

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Anarchists, in my view, and by their actions, do not respect our constitution while at the same time use it to their own unlawful ends. As a liberty minded individual I will use our republican form of government to affect change within the confines of the law.

You are basing that on the extremist actions of a few. Just as you could find plenty examples of in Republicans, Democrats, Communists.....

Anarchy has been seriously slandered by our modern Governments. Most Anarchists, like myself, are quite peaceful. We only seek to be left alone and have no part in a governmental system to which we do not ascribe. Anarchism is a mental state, absent being a physical one. A statist may THINK they have jurisdiction over me, they may SAY they have jurisdiction over me, by LAW they may have jurisdiction over me, but I recognize no man's claim over me.

As a liberty minded individual I will NOT use YOUR republican form of government to affect change within the confines of the law. The LAW is, by definition, anti-liberty, therefore, I couldn't care less for it.
 
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Anarchists, in my view, and by their actions, do not respect our constitution while at the same time use it to their own unlawful ends. As a liberty minded individual I will use our republican form of government to affect change within the confines of the law.

-1

I'm an anarchist in my deepest soul, and none of the things you say apply to me at all.

If we're ever allowed to "opt out" of government's "protection", I'll be the first in line.

In the meantime, I use only non-aggressive means to advance the cause of liberty.

Heck, I even vote, although my options are limited as I'm morally incapable of endorsing any aggressive candidate with my vote, which in practice eliminates anyone with a (D) or an (R) after their name.
 
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You are basing that on the extremist actions of a few. Just as you could find plenty examples of in Republicans, Democrats, Communists.....

Anarchy has been seriously slandered by our modern Governments. Most Anarchists, like myself, are quite peaceful. We only seek to be left alone and have no part in a governmental system to which we do not ascribe. Anarchism is a mental state, absent being a physical one. A statist may THINK they have jurisdiction over me, they may SAY they have jurisdiction over me, by LAW they may have jurisdiction over me, but I recognize no man's claim over me.

As a liberty minded individual I will NOT use YOUR republican form of government to affect change within the confines of the law. The LAW is, by definition, anti-liberty, therefore, I couldn't care less for it.
+1 to you Sir.

You relegate change of your fellow citizens by your refusal to lend your voice and efforts to affect any change that you deem necessary to return our country to that which the Founders envisioned.

Liberty demands that I and all liberty minded citizens respect your views and work in our own ways to advance the cause of liberty together.

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I'm an anarchist in my deepest soul, and none of the things you say apply to me at all.

If we're ever allowed to "opt out" of government's "protection", I'll be the first in line.

In the meantime, I use only non-aggressive means to advance the cause of liberty.

Heck, I even vote, although my options are limited as I'm morally incapable of endorsing any aggressive candidate with my vote, which in practice eliminates anyone with a (D) or an (R) after their name.
I make no claim to apply to you anything that I deem as a appropriate path to restore liberty. Your path is as valid as is my path.

+1 to you Sir
 

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+1 to you Sir.


+1 to you Sir

+1 to you, Sir, for being so gracious.

I participate in politics only so far as to affect change in the hearts and minds of my fellow men. I vote, only as a necessary evil. But I have no use for laws and politicians and courts. IMHO, liberty is all or nothing, and I've too long watched one small step forward be instantly replaced by a rocketship backwards.

I meant you no personal disrespect in my post, I was simply trying to illustrate my philosophy.
 
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