weapons not allowed in a bank?

Ok so I was cc carring into a bank but it was obvious cc since I had a shirt over my paddle holster/Glock 17. As I entered a man ...who I assumed had to be the Wells Fargo people greeter told me "no weapons are allowed in banks" thou he didn't ask me to leave directly, I chose to leave and most likely I will be switching banks. Guys, should I seek clarifications from WF or just dump them all together?

Clarify it with Wells Fargo, there is no Federal or (as far as I can find) Colorado law against carrying in banks.

lukaszu said:

Ok so I was cc carring into a bank but it was obvious cc since I had a shirt over my paddle holster/Glock 17. As I entered a man ...who I assumed had to be the Wells Fargo people greeter told me "no weapons are allowed in banks" thou he didn't ask me to leave directly, I chose to leave and most likely I will be switching banks. Guys, should I seek clarifications from WF or just dump them all together?

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Why did you not just withdraw all your money right then and there? Heck now these guys will want to charge us for holding our money and the feds won't let us get our money out ....

There is no such statute in CO. However, it may be Wells Fargo policy. I don't recall that being the case, but it might be worth verifying. Above all, don't push the issue while carrying or to the point that you upset the branch manager. If you get asked to leave, leave. Don't want to end up fighting a trespass.

You can be polite and simply ask to speak to the manager. Ask plainly, is it Wells Fargo policy to not allow law abiding citizens to legally carry protection in their branches. If the answer is yes, then tell them you would like to close your accounts immediately.

The man was lying. I OC into my credit union frequently during summer months. The bank is not a prohibited place, the man is expressing his uninfiormed opinion on what the law is.

Do switch banks, or better still get in a credit union. I got out of banks years ago, they are rapacious.

Wells Fargo has always been known as the bandit bank. They nickle and dime you for everything. Their profitability has always been at the top of the pack of public banks - partly because they don't do stupid things like Chase, BofA, Citibank, but underlying it is always to see customers as profit centers no matter how small the account. I agree that Credit Unions are much more accomodating to normal customers.

I OC in Wells Fargo here in Grand Junction all the time, even had a nice conversation with the branch manager a couple of weeks ago (non-gun related but I was open carrying a 5" double stack 1911, hard to have missed).

HPmatt said:

Wells Fargo has always been known as the bandit bank. They nickle and dime you for everything. Their profitability has always been at the top of the pack of public banks - partly because they don't do stupid things like Chase, BofA, Citibank, but underlying it is always to see customers as profit centers no matter how small the account. I agree that Credit Unions are much more accomodating to normal customers.

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I agree, I am now looking to move to a Credit Union. When a used car lot can beat the interest rate your bank offers you; it is time to move!!!

I'm more than just a little confused. You were CC'ing but .......IT WAS OBVIOUS because you had a shirt over your paddle holster......? Therefore you were OC'ing.....? NO. You were not DISPLAYING ....so you were not OC'ing. What you wear under your clothing is YOUR business.

" I beg your pardon...?" followed by ....simply proceeding about your banking business would be in order.

Was this guy " Superman" meaning X-Ray vision....?

I hope this "Barney Fife" realizes that when he pulls this on a bank robber ..he will likely be shot.

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I'm more than just a little confused. You were CC'ing but .......IT WAS OBVIOUS because you had a shirt over your paddle holster......? Therefore you were OC'ing.....? NO. You were not DISPLAYING ....so you were not OC'ing. What you wear under your clothing is YOUR business.

" I beg your pardon...?" followed by ....simply proceeding about your banking business would be in order.

Was this guy " Superman" meaning X-Ray vision....?

I hope this "Barney Fife" realizes that when he pulls this on a bank robber ..he will likely be shot.

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I am 5"7 150 lbs so It's easy to tell if I have something on my hip. By law I was cc since my pistol was covered from all sides. But there was a nice big outline that I guess screams Glock!
I did leave out the part where he asked me .. sir, do you gun?
I didn't really push the issue, I just turned and went to do other things. My 6 year old was with me at the time and my baby was at home with mom So I didn't want to press it. Till I get some good advice.

While I agree with the above, an obvious hidden gun is naturally more cause for alarm than an openly carried one. No legal difference most of the time, with proper documents, but a natural one as hiding guns (when not already in the hands) is the method of the bad guy, which is why most states first started making concealing illegal without making carrying illegal; which then led to where most states are now, needing a license to do an otherwise illegal act.

So while I agree that you did nothing legally wrong, it is my instinct to wonder why you would obviously conceal a gun.

As a guard, I wouldn't take my eyes off you, whereas if you were openly carrying, I'd have better things to do than care.

Nightmare said:

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Banks start charging interest to hold cash ... expect those banks to go belly up pretty quick !

MAC702 said:

While I agree with the above, an obvious hidden gun is naturally more cause for alarm than an openly carried one. No legal difference most of the time, with proper documents, but a natural one as hiding guns (when not already in the hands) is the method of the bad guy, which is why most states first started making concealing illegal without making carrying illegal; which then led to where most states are now, needing a license to do an otherwise illegal act.

So while I agree that you did nothing legally wrong, it is my instinct to wonder why you would obviously conceal a gun.

As a guard, I wouldn't take my eyes off you, whereas if you were openly carrying, I'd have better things to do than care.

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I see your point, I dnt like doing business in Thornton I still remember what happen to that guy at the Thornton movie theater.

lukaszu,

I OC into any business I don't see a "No Guns" sign. Including Wells Fargo.

The Wells Fargo branch I frequent most [here in Colorado Springs] is @ N. Powers & Briargate Pkwy. Next is the one on Research & N. Union. And once I went to the Wells Fargo @ N. Academy & Austin Bluffs. No problems at any of them (some customers occasionally looked at gun but no one said anything). I was in the Wells Fargo on N. Academy (7473) once but was not OCing at the time, so don't know how they'd be.

Not only were there no unpleasant experiences, 1-2 of the tellers @ the Powers & Briargate location seem very pro-carry and 2nd Amendment oriented (one reason it's my preferred branch). IIRC, they have a CC permit themselves and at least CC if they do not OC. The last time I was there I was getting a money-order and cashier's check (needed for my application/appointment to apply for my CC permit @ the Sheriff's Office) and of course, they noted to whom the checks were made -- and guessed I was going for my CC permit.

Still, every time they see me in there, I am OCing. Have not, however, noticed anyone else OCing though [@ Wells Fargo]. But that's not surprising, as most people don't OC anyway...

The only OTHER OCer I've seen here in COS was soon after I arrived: At the Village Inn @ Woodmen & Duryea. We talked for a bit, but frankly I didn't even NOTICE he was OCing right away...so much for people being observant! I've seen no other OCers since...

My OCing up in Parker brought some comments, but none were negative. I guess they don't see people OC much in Parker...

:-(

-- cloudcroft (formerly of Galveston, TX)

lukaszu said:

I see your point, I dnt like doing business in Thornton I still remember what happen to that guy at the Thornton movie theater.

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Well it was certainly a dire hassle, but the shoe is on the other foot now. The charges on him were dropped 9no crime committed) and there is a lawsuit against the city over it. Similar incidents have resulted in payouts by the Constitution hating authorities in Longmont etc so its likely they will get spanked to some degree for it.

Still you have a point, not everyone has time to spend a few hours having their rights violated.

I went to a Wells Fargo branch here to get a cashier's check to make a purchase on gunbroker. My banker saw the payee name and asked what I was buying. I said a Kimber 1911. He said sweet, bring it in when you get it. So pistols definitely allowed in my bank.

Anubis said:

I went to a Wells Fargo branch here to get a cashier's check to make a purchase on gunbroker. My banker saw the payee name and asked what I was buying. I said a Kimber 1911. He said sweet, bring it in when you get it. So pistols definitely allowed in my bank.

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Stepped into a Wells Fargo to make a payment, no issues. But then again... I wasn't OC. Remembering all this, I did do a quick scan for signs and saw none.

The guy was wrong in that he implied that weapons are not allowed in banks.

However his statement could very easily be construed to meet Colorado's requirement for an employee telling you to disarm or leave so pushing the issue with him would have gotten you nowhere.

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However his statement could very easily be construed to meet Colorado's requirement for an employee telling you to disarm or leave so pushing the issue with him would have gotten you nowhere.

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Can any ol' employee tell you to leave, or can you insist that the manager/owner do it? Like, if I'm grocery shopping, can a stocker or bagboy tell me to leave, or does the manager on-duty have that power?

meadowsr said:

Can any ol' employee tell you to leave, or can you insist that the manager/owner do it? Like, if I'm grocery shopping, can a stocker or bagboy tell me to leave, or does the manager on-duty have that power?

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You'll get other answers, but here is my take: even the lowliest stock boy/girl can tell you to leave. You heard that right. They CAN (as in, have the ability to) tell you to leave, just like I can ask everyone I meet to do the Macarena while jumping around on one foot.

Whether they have the authority to do so is another matter, which you can now use to your advantage, and to further defend our RKBA when you:

• Leave the store peaceably and without spending a dime (if you've just bought something, ask for a refund on the spot),

• Calmly walk out of the store while maintaining a polite demeanor,

• Then proceed to contact either corporate (preferred method as the slap-down that will be dealt to the manager of the store in question will likely inspire a b****-slap of mighty proportions to the lying cretin who enforced his own policy over that of the store when he asked you to leave:lol, or call the store and ask for the manager (roughly same effect as previous method, but less enthusiasm in the b****-slap to the anti-freedom worker).

If nothing else, this could help the store manager and employees remember that we are Law-Abiding Citizens (LACs) armed with knowledge, patience, and virtue, besides the obvious gun.

Another route would be to ask to speak to the manager on the spot (great if you need a laugh that day, as the overzealous anti-freedom employee will likely do their best impersonation of a deer caught in some headlights; if you are video recording, it could make for a great holiday card or meme)

If you disregard a lower employee telling you to leave, you'd better be darn sure the manager is going to side with you. Because barring any pre-knowledge, you should assume the employee has been given the authority by his management to do whatever it is he is doing for the store.

Leave, then call the manager. The manager will either confirm it, or profusely apologize. Either way, it makes the better impression.