Some debate regarding 5 exist, even some educated types have indicated that it could get interpreted that 5 just made MO a constitutional carry state. Don't strap up and head down to the arch demanding your rights yet, editorial comments are not legal advice but they can pose some interesting questions that is for sure.
Thought we could start with one.
If it did then CCW without a permit is legal, would you OC if CCW was a true freedom option?
Since I tend to do both now, I offer I would continue to do both and would likely maintain some permit for the out of state situations where the permit is recognized etc.
I am going to get a lawyers opinion on the OC portion of the equation. I also may indeed be a test case for it followed by a huge civil suit as well. It will depend upon the professional opinion.
You and I haven't had a good debate in some time LMTD. The problem is it changes the Constitution and the Constitution only. That means that the current laws will remain on the books as the Amendment would not address that....at least not yet. It's going to take a couple of things, so start hitting up those politicians when the session gets going.
First, the legislature needs to do away with that dreaded OC denial law that so many municipalities have taken advantage of the past few years. That law was unconstitutional when it was made law in the first place because CCW was illegal. It gave the power to completely deny 2A. Now, with CCW on the books it gives them the power to force you to be taxed to exercise 2A if you want to be shielded with CCW as an option in anti-OC areas.
Second, we cannot do away with CCW completely. Arizona got it right by allowing the permit to stay in place for those who wish to have it for out of state carry purposes. This is an absolute must, but the doggone restrictions need to go away and businesses being able to post needs to go away or they need to eat the liability for such a posting IF something were to happen due to their open invitation of crime.
If these changes do not occur just with Amendment 5, it's likely going to take someone being arrested, beating it in court, and/or filing a lawsuit to achieve those changes.
An amplifier is that we cannot just have a bunch of folks going out to get guns and not having some sort of training or experience with firearms. As an instructor I support training, just not state-mandated training. The catch-22 is that many people will not get the training unless they're forced to. It's like having no experience riding a motorcycle and buying a ZX1400 Ninja thinking "you can handle it", you're a hazard to yourself and those around you. This is the problem area.
OC just draws odd attention because the public is still convinced that criminals will carry openly, like that's their only option as criminals. Sheesh!
I cued up WM's LP staff over the weekend and it's a store where I've been a witness for LP multiple times.