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Virgil Goode? Are you KIDDING me?

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Have you looked at Goode's party's PLATFORM? How on this planet of the gods they can claim to be constitutionalists escapes me.


Hey, folks, third-party voting is good. But if a party or name is not on the ballot in ALL 50 STATES, a vote for that candidate/party is ridiculous. They'd have to take ALL the votes in some states to even come close to the popular vote, much less the electoral college.
 

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Have you looked at Goode's party's PLATFORM? How on this planet of the gods they can claim to be constitutionalists escapes me.


Hey, folks, third-party voting is good. But if a party or name is not on the ballot in ALL 50 STATES, a vote for that candidate/party is ridiculous. They'd have to take ALL the votes in some states to even come close to the popular vote, much less the electoral college.
I will respectfully add this caveat:

Third party voting is GREAT when that candidate takes votes away from your opponent. It is never good when it takes votes away from the better of the two main candidates.

:)

TFred
 

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I will respectfully add this caveat:

Third party voting is GREAT when that candidate takes votes away from your opponent. It is never good when it takes votes away from the better of the two main candidates.

:)

TFred

Well...if we don't get a viable 3rd party soon, we'll be eating Soylent
Green and have tracking chips up our backsides. I need to search Obamacare to see if provisions are made for a Proctologist to do firmware upgrades.

Who cares about the party platform, they're all lying anyway.

It makes more sense for a 3rd party to run someone (For Any Office) like Goode who has a proven pro gun, pro agriculture record than someone like Floyd Baines who has a proven record of running Ghetto Supermarkets and only letting people with permits carry.
 
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I like Goode's platform for the most part, and in theory I appreciate what he's doing.

In practice, when Obama or Romney is going to win VA, Goode's campaign only increases Obama's chances. It might be different if there were a third party liberal running to pull votes from Obama.
 

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I like Goode's platform for the most part, and in theory I appreciate what he's doing.

In practice, when Obama or Romney is going to win VA, Goode's campaign only increases Obama's chances. It might be different if there were a third party liberal running to pull votes from Obama.

And therein lies the problem. Your best, most effective vote might not be for the candidate of your choice.
 

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I like Goode's platform for the most part, and in theory I appreciate what he's doing.

In practice, when Obama or Romney is going to win VA, Goode's campaign only increases Obama's chances. It might be different if there were a third party liberal running to pull votes from Obama.

From Human Events:

Virginia’s Goode could be Romney’s undoing
While many on the right fear that Constitution Party presidential candidate Virgil Goode might just draw enough votes in his native Virginia to tip the Old Dominion’s 14 electoral votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama, the former six-term congressman made it clear he doesn’t care.

Goode, in fact, feels that “in many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney.”

The 65-year-old Goode spoke to Human Events last week as he and his supporters were in the process of gathering the 10,000 signatures they need to submit before the Aug. 24 deadline to qualify for Virginia’s November ballot.

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But what has clearly set off alarm bells among conservatives lately is the scenario of Goode making the ballot in Virginia — where he won the 5th District U.S. House seat as a Democrat, Independent, and Republican from 1996 until his narrow defeat in 2008.

“If I’m on the ballot in Virginia, I could cost Obama a lot of votes — possibly as much as or even more than Romney,” Goode told us, repeating a line that many third party contenders have taken over the years. “There are a lot of life-long Democrats (in the Fifth District) who say they’ll hold their nose and vote for Obama. But as the fellow in the filling station up the road told me, ‘I’m a Democrat, but if you’re on the ballot, Virgil, I’m voting for you.’”

In carrying the banner of the Constitution Party, Virgil Goode is again not “taking one for the team.” Whether he qualifies for the Virginia ballot Aug. 24 and how well he does in his home state will surely be watched there, as well as by Republicans nationwide.

No “taking one for the team.” -- well, Goode.
 

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I guess we can only hope that there aren't 10,000 registered voters in Virginia dumb enough to sign the petition. Unfortunately, more than half of them voted for Obama last time around, and everyone one of those folks would probably be ecstatic to help someone take votes away from Romney.

Goode, in fact, feels that “in many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney.”

This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth.

:banghead:

TFred
 

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"If you are in the hip pocket of any political party, prepare to be sat on." ~ Gary North

North continues:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north833.html

" Political victory in the United States is best defined as follows:

Getting your political agenda enacted into law, enforced by the Executive branch, and upheld by the courts.

A definition of political victory that ignores any of these criteria is part of a shell game: getting people elected for their careers' sake, not your agenda.

To achieve this three-part victory, you must be part of a voting bloc that has the power to impose sanctions: positive and negative.

Establishment politicians understand this. They respect it. They have learned to exploit it. They tell their constituents: "You can win through me if you supply the votes to enable me to win (positive sanction) at the expense of my opponent (negative sanction)." This is the politics of the shell game, what I call the Punch and Judy show.

The correct definition of the power to impose political sanctions is this:

Sufficient votes to deliberately keep your party's candidate from winning in November if he waffles, and sufficient votes to elect his replacement two years later.

There is a corollary:

The willingness to run a post-nomination independent candidate against an incumbent member of your party if he has waffled during his most recent term in office.

Any voting bloc that has this ability will not be in any party's hip pocket."



Prepare to be sat on. As for me, I'll be supporting Gary Johnson, who is on the ballot in all 50 states.
 

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"If you are in the hip pocket of any political party, prepare to be sat on." ~ Gary North

North continues:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north833.html

" Political victory in the United States is best defined as follows:

Getting your political agenda enacted into law, enforced by the Executive branch, and upheld by the courts.

A definition of political victory that ignores any of these criteria is part of a shell game: getting people elected for their careers' sake, not your agenda.

To achieve this three-part victory, you must be part of a voting bloc that has the power to impose sanctions: positive and negative.

Establishment politicians understand this. They respect it. They have learned to exploit it. They tell their constituents: "You can win through me if you supply the votes to enable me to win (positive sanction) at the expense of my opponent (negative sanction)." This is the politics of the shell game, what I call the Punch and Judy show.

The correct definition of the power to impose political sanctions is this:

Sufficient votes to deliberately keep your party's candidate from winning in November if he waffles, and sufficient votes to elect his replacement two years later.

There is a corollary:

The willingness to run a post-nomination independent candidate against an incumbent member of your party if he has waffled during his most recent term in office.

Any voting bloc that has this ability will not be in any party's hip pocket."



Prepare to be sat on. As for me, I'll be supporting Gary Johnson, who is on the ballot in all 50 states.

+1

Mitt Romney may be better than Barak Obama, but that doesn't mean we have to vote for him. His stance on guns is not genuine. He screwed Utah gun owners when he ran the Olympics. What makes you think he would not do the same at the national level?

Gary Johnson is a no holds barred pro gun candidate. He has my vote as well.
 

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I guess we can only hope that there aren't 10,000 registered voters in Virginia dumb enough to sign the petition. Unfortunately, more than half of them voted for Obama last time around, and everyone one of those folks would probably be ecstatic to help someone take votes away from Romney.



This could very well be the stupidest person on the face of the earth.

:banghead:

TFred

Come on TFRED that is over the top. Mitt Romney may not be the brightest lightbulb in the box, but he does have some intelligence. For example I do think he is smarter than Bloomberg.
 

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Come on TFRED that is over the top. Mitt Romney may not be the brightest lightbulb in the box, but he does have some intelligence. For example I do think he is smarter than Bloomberg.

He's smarter than Bloomberg Thundar....better looking too!

liz.jpg
 

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I will respectfully add this caveat:

Third party voting is GREAT when that candidate takes votes away from your opponent. It is never good when it takes votes away from the better of the two main candidates.

:)

TFred

It does not hurt in the specific election but it can drive a party one direction or another in the future.
 

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Originally Posted by TFred

I will respectfully add this caveat:

Third party voting is GREAT when that candidate takes votes away from your opponent. It is never good when it takes votes away from the better of the two main candidates.

:)

TFred
It does not hurt in the specific election but it can drive a party one direction or another in the future.

If we do not come together in this election, there may not be another. :uhoh: :p
 

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A very good friend of mine who lurks here sent me this e-mail this evening. I called him and he agreed to let me post it here. Nothing much for me to add. Best to everyone.

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Was just at OpenCarry.org forum reading the Virgil Goode thread. Must say I am more than discouraged about many of the posters' dismissal of the importance of the next election.
Many are talking about not voting "'cause one guy is no better than the other". I'm of the opinion that as far a this nation's survival as a constitutional republic is concerned voting does matter tremendously. Don't know what I would call Obama but for certain he is is anti-American. We cannot let his reign continue. He has no regard for law or the constitution. He is the king of liars. If I was rating recent presidents on a 1-10 scale, 10 being the worse, I'd put Clinton at a 6, Bush at a 5 and Obama at a twelve. He and his coterie of lackeys are not just incompetent they are socialist incompetents doing their best to unravel 200+years of positive development for America and the world.

I guess what I am is disappointed. I expect more from gunnies. I expect almost rabid love for our form of government and a sure understanding that O represents absolute hostility to the American way of life.

Romney has disappointed me on many issues but the one thing I am certain of is he is a patriot. Despite his wishy washy attitude on some issues he has risen to where he is by supporting American values. These things alone make him a far better candidate than O. He is not my choice (mine has nice ****) but he is a way better choice than his opponent.

We have a party that can't win on record or on ideas who will steal this election if we are not vigilant. For staunch 2A proponents to ho hum this upcoming election is like aiding and abetting a thief who is stealing from someone else's rice bowl. You can bet your rice bowl is the next target.

It is especially important in Virginia because we most overcome the huge voter numerical advantage of the vested interests in northern Virginia. (DC is the only city in America with a booming economy). Every vote counts. I do not want this state in the blue win column. The probable electoral college vote count is a near thing with just a few votes between the winner and the loser. We cannot afford to give up one vote because of complacency.

Sorry, not a member of the forum so had to vent somewhere.
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Come on TFRED that is over the top. Mitt Romney may not be the brightest lightbulb in the box, but he does have some intelligence. For example I do think he is smarter than Bloomberg.
You mis-attributed what I was talking about. I was specifically referring to this quote by Goode:

"Goode, in fact, feels that “in many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney.”"

It is THAT which I believe reveals that Mr. Goode may indeed be the stupidest person on the face of the Earth. In fact, I really don't believe it is possible for anyone to get it THAT wrong, there must be an ulterior motive.

As others have later posted, if Obama wins this election, it may very well be the last one. I admit that sounds ridiculous. And it might be, if not for the fact that since being elected, Mr. Obama has seen fit to completely ignore the law and the US Constitution what seems like every week.

Based on his actions, there is no reason for anyone to have any confidence that his blatant disregard for the law and the US Constitution has any end or limit. Nothing is over the top, and the ends justify any means necessary. The serious question is: Why would the next election be any different than any of the other dozens of times he has changed the rules to suit his whims?

TFred
 

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since there's mention of Romney in this Goode thread, i'll mention a side-note...

CNN & Fox are reporting that, according to campaign "inside" sources, Romney has tapped Paul Ryan as his VP candidate. official announcement to be at ~8:45am in Norfolk, VA.
 
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