AB 144, good or bad?

We heard from CGN that we should wait to UOC till after McDonald. After McDonald prevailed, the anti UOC toned down a bit, but the general idea was that UOC was still a bad idea.
AB144 has been signed and now it seems that it wasn't such a bad idea after all. They are now saying it's going to speed up getting a carry license.
The Peruta case in San Diego will probably get a GVR, because UOC is now off the table.
In the Yolo county case, the plaintiff's requested a time extension to see what happened with AB144. The new brief should be an interesting read.
So, I ask. Did UOC help or not?

AB144 is definitely, without a doubt, extremely bad! There is no sugar coating this, there is no justification for this, there is no rationalization for this. Open carry IS the 2nd Amendment, always ways and always will be. AB144 simply puts the final nail in the Mulford Act's coffin on the true, unfettered right to bear arms in CA. AB144 is a clear example of the insidious incrementalism that pervades our society today (as is AB809).

Whether or not UOC has helped the 2A community is a different question entirely. From my perspective it has absolutely helped. UOC'ers reached out to many in the community who were unaware of their 2A rights and positively impacted them. UOC'ers did not break any laws nor did they harm anyone, or infringe upon any others' liberties. UOC'ers are not to blame for Lori Saldana's anti-American reaction to American's living as freely as possible. UOC'ers are not to blame for Porkantino's decision to carry socialist Saldana's cud after she failed to achieve her tyranny. The full blame and responsibility lies with those who seek only to control you, rip your liberty from you, and endanger the entire public with their failed utopian ideas. UOC'ers took their guns out from hiding and brought them to the forefront of discussion...and that was and is very positive for the 2nd Amendment.

ETA: Gov. Brown is not our friend, he is every bit the tyrant as Saldana, Porkantino and company.

coolusername2007 said:

UOC'ers did not break any laws nor did they harm anyone, or infringe upon any others' liberties. UOC'ers are not to blame for Lori Saldana's anti-American reaction to American's living as freely as possible. UOC'ers are not to blame for Porkantino's decision to carry socialist Saldana's cud after she failed to achieve her tyranny. The full blame and responsibility lies with those who seek only to control you, rip your liberty from you, and endanger the entire public with their failed utopian ideas. UOC'ers took their guns out from hiding and brought them to the forefront of discussion...and that was and is very positive for the 2nd Amendment.

ETA: Gov. Brown is not our friend, he is every bit the tyrant as Saldana, Porkantino and company.

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LGOC will become an event that will scare way more than any handgun carry ever did ..recall moonbeam will be another fight to...

It is bad, but with a slim, slight silver lining...

hmmm, wonder if OCDO will allow LGOC discussion on its hallowed forums to stand in solidarity with california. especially considering the article by one of the founders of the website that says LGOC will be the only legal form of carry in cali now

+1 to infinity and beyond

smellslikemichigan said:

hmmm, wonder if OCDO will allow LGOC discussion on its hallowed forums to stand in solidarity with california. especially considering the article by one of the founders of the website that says LGOC will be the only legal form of carry in cali now

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It's time we (when left no other options) embrace LGOC. Just my honest opinion. Hell in my backassward state of MI, a person under 21yrs of age cannot buy a handgun or handgun ammo from a store. Yet, they can carry a squad automatic weapon and a M9 pistol in Afghanistan or Iraq. This kind of idiotic law making leaves these younger Americans defenseless, unless they LGOC!

Is AB144 good or bad...

At present California county sheriffs have total discretion with CCW permit approval. In many coastal counties, unless you're well connected, rich or well known - you are SOL when it comes to getting a CCW permit.

Add to the mix - The California Constitution has no second amendment provision, and brushes aside the US constitution second amendment.

Sacramento will drag their feet to change "May Issue" in California to "Shall Issue", and until then............AB144 is here to stay.

Good, I am much more comfortable operating an long gun than a pistol. And bad, I hate more restrictions that trample on the constitution and limit my freedom..... limited freedom.... sounds like an oxymoron.

I heard that the lawyers in the Yolo County case are filing another brief because of AB 144.
As it stands now, LOC and UOC are illegal leaving a concealed carry license the only legal option available in CA.
The ruling that UOC satisfied the 2nd amemdmet is now off the table.
It gets more interesting every day.

Gundude said:

I heard that the lawyers in the Yolo County case are filing another brief because of AB 144.
As it stands now, LOC and UOC are illegal leaving a concealed carry license the only legal option available in CA.
The ruling that UOC satisfied the 2nd amemdmet is now off the table.
It gets more interesting every day.

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Perhaps they are rewriting their brief to suggest that since the carry of long guns and LUCC is still an option that the plantiffs are able to exercize their 2A rights.

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Perhaps they are rewriting their brief to suggest that since the carry of long guns and LUCC is still an option that the plantiffs are able to exercize their 2A rights.

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Long guns were ruled out in Heller for self defense.
We will see about LUCC.