http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/New-gun-law-prompts-Lynden-museum-to-remove-rifles-5903332.php
Wonder what other places will follow.
Wonder what other places will follow.
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I-594 Prompts Museum to Return Guns
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Dave_pro2a
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Dave_pro2a
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Wait a second, this story is impossible.
Our know-it-all Primus said cops would NOT enforce this law. So what is the museum worried about?
Our know-it-all Primus said cops would NOT enforce this law. So what is the museum worried about?
Primus
Regular Member
What part of the law does this violate? Storage? Can you cite the section they say it violates?
Dave_pro2a
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Why is the museum worried? Call them and ask.
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OC for ME
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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...n-museum-to-remove-WWII-rifles-283197591.html
Read the freaking law!!...the museum clearly thinks the law will be enforced even onto them in spite of what Calkins, or any other I-594 suporter, says.
From the bill/law.
Read the freaking law!!...the museum clearly thinks the law will be enforced even onto them in spite of what Calkins, or any other I-594 suporter, says.
From the bill/law.
Storage is not mentioned and is actually irrelevant. Who cares how you store the gun once you possess it, we are only concerned that you are cleared to possess the gun. The museum clearly does not trust Calkins, and his ilk, to abide by his "promise" to not enforce this law on persons "loaning" guns to each other.
Primus
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Ok OC I'll try with you instead.
What part does mere possession violate? Its a museum. So I'm assuming the guns are just sitting there. There is no transferring or passing around.
Are you referring to the fact the guns are on loan from private collectors? Is it that someone would be afraid by returning the loaned gun they would need to do a background check on the actually owner/loaner to get his own guns back?
OC for ME
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Dave_pro2a
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The museum likely hired a real lawyer to give them a written legal opinion about how the law should be enforced.
You know, something every state official has refused to do.
OC for ME
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The language does not mention storage (did a word search, no results). The museum is not in a position (financially) to challenge the law to keep some WWII guns until May of next year. Even if they wanted to, the decision would likely be long after the exhibit is over. They will not take any chances.
The museum's lawyer told them w/o a BC they are in violation of the law as he/they read it. There is no other conclusion to be made unless a court says (rewrites) otherwise. The language is clear in spite of what Calkins says. A cautious citizen will read it and abide by the plain language in the law. Untill a timeframe for "borrow" which is not used in the law "loan" is, is defined then any "transfer" in the plain usage of the word (from A to B) must be applied.
IANAL YMMV
MSG Laigaie
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Maybe this part.................
State Attorney General Bob Ferguson tells the newspaper that he can't interpret the law for specific situations.
or this................
State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said he had not formed an opinion on the initiative and could not interpret it for specific situations.
“To date, there have not been any lawsuits filed against I-594, nor has our office received any opinion requests,” Ferguson said in a statement to The Bellingham Herald. The attorney general may issue an opinion on a legal question if certain state leaders or county prosecuting attorneys request one.
“At this point we have no interpretations of the initiative to offer to the public beyond the text of the measure itself,”
I guess we won't know what is legal until after we have been arrested. (channeling pelosi)
This is like jumping out of a plane and then thinking about a parachute. How do you stop this runaway train until saner minds can appeal?
To say not to worry about the law because "cops won't enforce illogical laws" has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. How obtuse and short-sighted can a person possibly be to make such an insanely ignorant statement? The law makes explicit statements and explicitly defines terms. There is no arguing that.
It depends on what the definition of "is" is, Bob. :banghead:
Dave_pro2a
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Which they have been advised will be required -- on a loan. Because under new law loan has been redefined as transfer.
Prime Us for being screwed.
davidmcbeth
Banned
The law passed this month with 59 percent of the vote.
Primus
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Dave_pro2a
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The implication is, the law will be vigorously enforced... because...
You do realize that's nearly a supermajority. Naw, you probably don't.
Some people and organizations won't want to deal with all the legal BS, obviously this museum doesn't.
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Seriously, do people think these business are not going to have one of their lawyers also read the law? Primus did you really think that LE are the only ones paying any attention, and that businesses affected would not do everything possible to minimize liability and hold themselves accountable for what the law explicitly states?
59%. How. Did. This. Happen.
59%. How. Did. This. Happen.
Dave_pro2a
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#grubertactics
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDomkBtJC7Q&feature=player_embedded
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Primus
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Are you attempting to engage me in legitimate reasoned dialogue? If so I'll glaldly response with what is my humble opinion on the matter. If its an attempt to troll like several others keep doing then let me know I'll save my time responding with a full opinion.