With OWNERSHIP and FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY.
This is what lizzurds say all the time.
I have no idea what a "lizzurd" is. Unless you simply lack the ability to spell - and somehow or another have formed the opinion that amphibians can speak....
And everyone says different things about what makes a person to be a "responsible gun owner". It means all of us are not responsible obviously...so no one can own except the .govs.
My statement was not merely in reference to firearms. Any OWNERSHIP of property comes with responsibility. Own a car? You are responsible to operate it in a manner that does not jeopardize the safety of others. Own a house? You are responsible to insure it does not collapse on visitors - or burn down with others in it. If you want to burn or collapse it on yourself - well - you should be allowed to. That would be stupid - but I think you should be allowed. Own a knife? You are responsible not to throw it at people for fun. I could give more examples but the point is clear, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
The idea that Freedom and Liberty are without
any limits or responsibilities - which is what you are implying - is not truly Freedom or Liberty. It is ANARCHY - and anarchy is merely a state in which the strong have an easier time dominating the weak. Your Freedom to do and act is unfettered UNTIL it infringes on another person's Liberty. Therefore it DOES have limits.
Any freeman should have the RKBA. The .govs could make anything a felony .. and they are going down this road.
By ".govs" do you mean the Feds, or do you include any and all governmental entities, from the Feds - through the State and down to your local governing body?
I am a Constitutionalist - I believe the Fed has tremendously over-reached in so many ways its uncountable. I believe in States rights - and the rights of the Individual. Which means if you live in a State with law you don't like - you should have the INDIVIDUAL right to move to one that better fits you. With the Federal overreach that has continued to grow worse - such things are not - right now at least - the way they should be - which would allow such things. The Fed is a monstrosity that needs to be stopped and cut wholesale until it is back within its Constitutional constraints. How each State deals with things is - and should be - up to the People.
A felon who is free has paid his debt IMO and all freemen have the RKBA.
I disagree. SOME felons have paid their debt - others, like murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc - can never truly recompense society for their crimes. Sadly - the screwed up "justice" system lets these clowns out amongst the LAC population. Personally, the Criminal "justice" system needs a serious overhaul! Am I ok with letting someone who one time wrote a bad check for more than $200 bucks get their rights restored? Absolutely. Do I think that a child molester who gets out on "good behavior" after a 10yr sentence should have open access to kids again? No - I don't. Apparently you think that since they served their time - they should no longer have any kind of restrictions on them.... Just like someone who committed armed robbery and murder while holding up a bank should be allowed to get another gun...
We just aren't going to see eye to eye on that one.
I personally know a gentleman who is 33 - he was born with severe mental deficiencies - to the point where he has required 24/7 care all his life. His intellectual ability is that of somewhere around a 5 year old. He is however - legally speaking - a "freeman" - and you think that he should be able to own a gun? Really?
Again - we are NOT going to see eye to eye on that.
Once you start down the path of "this guy is too dangerous" then everyone will fit into this bucket eventually.
Ever heard the old saying "A Leopard can't change his spots."? Ralph, the alcoholic down the road - he has only had 3 wrecks where he killed a total of 7 people. He did his time - he should be allowed to have a drivers license again, right? Chester the child molester a block over, sure he should be allowed to work at the daycare center since they released him from jail. Hell - using your logic - the illegals crossing the border should be allowed to stay after they "do their time" for crossing over here illegally. What are you - for AMNESTY?
The .govs depend on people like you to curtail and infringe on peoples' RKBA.
The fact that I do not subscribe to your rather flawed concept of RKBA does not automagically mean that I am somehow in support of government curtailing RKBA. While I know it makes for great hyperbole to tr and paint that picture, it is not an accurate or truthful one.
And the 2nd amendment is just a law ..
Wrong - it is part of the US Constitution as Amended. I find it ironic that you fail to grasp the importance of one of the Cornerstones of our entire system of society - denigrating it to "just a law" - when it is that very Founding Document that holds back the progressives, liberals and socialists from entirely remaking our country into yet another krapistan or eurosocialist state. If the Constitution is so unimportant as being "just a law" - perhaps you would like to join the far left in trying to get rid of it entirely?
it can change or be eliminated.
Is that a threat?
Rights however are always with use regardless of any law. .govs can only trample on our rights.
No - governments can only trample our rights when and if we as citizens allow it. I for one do not choose to allow it - but you and I define "trample" entirely differently.
Perhaps you should not only re-read the Constitution - but also review 2nd sentence of the Declaration of Independence...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Because the Creator is now involved with those "certain unalienable Rights" remember - Jesus did command some of his disciples to go forth armed. I don't think God has a problem with the RKBA. However, Jesus also commanded Peter to "put down his sword" in the Garden of Gethsemane. So it would be unwise of you to state that the RKBA is somehow an "unalienable" right.
I am not in favor of the Chicago law. Its stupid, redundant and will be entirely ineffective. I am also not in favor of letting anyone, anywhere - have access to firearms. Or for that matter - other weaponry.
So let me take a page out of your book on this one...
Should RKBA be limited to firearms? Shouldn't it include fully armed tanks, artillery pieces, even nukes if one could afford them? If not - why not? Hell - your so damned scared of the ".govs" you might need all that to keep them at bay. Of course - that would mean any of the "legal" immigrants coming from places like SYRIA should be allowed those things too right? I mean - its "Rights however are always with use regardless of any law." - so you must be all for letting them have all kinds of weapons. After all - you can't say "some people are just too dangerous" - can you?
Yea - it doesn't matter if they are likely terrorists. Doesn't matter if they are insane. Or Illegal. Every "freeman" has a right to arms in your book.
Nope - just can't agree. Nor would I want to see what kind of crap hole such a country would be like if that happened. It'd be a cross between Mexico and any krapistan in the Middle East you could pick - on steroids.
No thank you. I spent 8 years in a funny green suit to make sure we didn't end up like that. I am not in uniform any longer - but I can tell you this - I didn't take that oath lightly. Its a lifetime commitment. I swore an oath to uphold the Constitution - and seeing people on
both sides of the political spectrum try and STOMP on it - well - don't expect to go unchallenged.
